[turbo4]

Iv been installing Mansfields for 40 yrs mostly to get away from that flapper. Reliable,workhorse very economical to buy like $79. But for my house and properties i rehab lately i go with the Niagra .8 gallon flush. The water savings alone pay for it.

 

[Mike Milam]

Well I gave it the acid test this morning and man o man does it flush better. At least half again as strong a flush. Can someone explain the mechanics of these things?

 

[SARG]

Here's a good video

 

[Mike Milam]

Here's a good video

Thanks. I was curious how the little tube going into the overflow made such a difference?

 

[SARG]

I guess the simple answer is it simply refills the bowl to an adequate level for a "proper flush". There has to be enough water to fill the "hump" in the trap piping when you flush to create the siphon action.

 

[Mike Milam]

I guess the simple answer is it simply refills the bowl to an adequate level for a "proper flush". There has to be enough water to fill the "hump" in the trap piping when you flush to create the siphon action.

Makes sense. I'll be checking the other two soon.

 

[rogerwh]

Sounds like the same problem I was having. I replaced the toilets with ones that has 3“ flapper valves and 2 3/8“ trap-ways. The trap-way is the outlet at the bottom of the toilet. The larger the trap-way, the better.
I don’t know where my plungers are anymore because I haven’t need them since replacing my toilets.

Roger

 

[Mike Milam]

WELL, I looked at the toilet in the guest bathroom and that one has the same setup as the one I just fixed. Ordered a new fill valve from amazon and it will be here Thursday.

 

[Mike Milam]

Just for giggles I dug the old fill valve out of the trash and took it apart. That nipple that appeared to be for the tube that goes to the overfill stand pipe was nothing but a short tube that never went all the way through. Fact is stranger than fiction.

 

[Highlander86]

Is there any way to convert a water saver toilet to full flush? I have at least two household members who can't seem to operate a water saver. I'm getting tired of plunging toilets. Thanks

It sounds like you should invest in the TOTO brand specifically the Drake model. Mine are the Drakes 1.6 gpf which is an improvement over the ones that came with the house- we save 50% water over what we had originally. Before buying, I watched dozens of videos of people trying to stop up the Drakes 1.6 gpf and none were successful.

 

[mpnret]

It looks to me like you may already have good Toto 1.6 Gpf toilets. On the first page of this thread you said 1.6/2.6 is stamped below the brand name. Then on the second page you posted a picture and I can see the Toto name then pf / 6.0Lpf on the next line. The first part is cut off in the pic but I bet it says "1.6Gpf / 6.0Lpf". 1.6G = 6 L. I don't know where the 2.6 came from you mentioned on page 1. You may want to do a little research on what you actually have there. Maybe talk to Toto support if need be. You may even have the Drake model people are telling you to buy. Even if it's not the Drake model all Toto's are pretty good. As far as that tube that appears to be cut off, what really matters is where is the water line mark on the tank and are you at that level. No need to replace the tube if you are. If you can't find the water line mark maybe call Toto support. They may be able to give you a dimension from the top of the tank to the proper water line. If you can determine which model Toto you have try downloading a manual.

 

[Mike Milam]

My mistake. It is 1.6gpf and 6.0lpf. I ordered a fill valve for the other Toto and will replace it. The fill valve in both toilets had a nipple sticking out as if to run a tube to the over flow, but the nipples were fake. The hole did not go all the way through. The original one I was dealing with flushes fine now.

 

[Mike Milam]

BTW, I had the water shut off last evening to put a 1/4 turn stop in line for the fridge. I turned the water back on and the first time that toilet was flush the air and water going into the new fill valve blew the upper half off and hit the tank top and almost knocked it off. Thing I'm going to put a stainless hose clamp around it so it isn't dependent on the sliding ring to hold it. Of course, it may never be subjected to that again.

 

[Mike Milam]

This is the old fill valve cap. The one that had the dummy nipple.

 

[MissyBrown]

Like Snic stated, some of them really are crap. I changed out two American Standard water savers and went back with the 3 gallon tanks. There was no real change in the amount of water used, because we were flushing the water savers 2 sometimes 3 times. You must have females in the home. My Daddy was forever telling his three daughters "Girls, stop making mittens".

 

[bilug]

No one recommended teaching the offenders how to plunge their own plugs?

 

[Mike Milam]

No one recommended teaching the offenders how to plunge their own plugs?

The main offender is 91 year old woman with dementia and a colostomy. She uses a LOT of toilet paper.

 

[bilug]

The main offender is 91 year old woman with dementia and a colostomy. She uses a LOT of toilet paper.

I suppose she gets a pass.

 

[mpnret]

From one of your pics it looks like your Toto model number is stamped on the back wall of your tank. I would also look closely and see if the water level may be marked there too.

 

[snic]

It sounds like you should invest in the TOTO brand specifically the Drake model. Mine are the Drakes 1.6 gpf which is an improvement over the ones that came with the house- we save 50% water over what we had originally. Before buying, I watched dozens of videos of people trying to stop up the Drakes 1.6 gpf and none were successful.

I've always bought the "eco" line of Drakes, which are 1.3 gpf. They've worked extremely well for us.