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Help me convert barn room into a rudimentary office?

1.1K views 16 replies 6 participants last post by  lenaitch  
#1 ·
Hi! New to the forum, looking for some advice about a project I'm about to embark on. There is a 30x30 barn on my property, it's ~10 years old and unheated/uninsulated except for a 8.5 x 9 tack room on the SW corner of the building, which has insulated walls. I'm looking to convert this room into an office space. Nothing fancy at all, not really even finished- just want it to be comfortable in the winter. Photos of the space are at the bottom of this post. My tentative plan is to:

Floor
  • put down vapor barrier over the concrete
  • treated 2x4s as sleepers
  • foam board insulation between the sleepers
  • OSB on top, with some kind of end of roll laminate or similar on top (may just sand and epoxy the OSB itself)

Ceiling
  • There is an also unheated/uninsulated loft above this space
  • Joists are 2x10s
  • Put R24 5.5 inch depth rock wool in each joist bay, leaving ~3.5 inch air gap between the insulation and plywood of above floor
  • As you can see in the pics, the joist bays open into the unconditioned area of the barn...my understanding is that I should not block this air flow and leave the air gap open into this space?
  • Poly vapour barrier below the insulation
  • No finished ceiling
Walls
  • Leave OSB as is, probably paint
  • Gap filler to seal around window and other small gaps near floor

Heat
  • The pictured 240V baseboard heater is non-functional, replace it with a similar model in a similar location

Is there anything I'm missing here with my plan? Any major oversights? Any advice on any aspect of this would be greatly appreciated.









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#2 ·
Welcome to the Chatroom.

There is no benefit to leaving an air space above the insulation in the ceiling, so you can put as much up there as you like, although the electrical cables are going to make that something of a challenge.

Do you know if the walls had vapour barrier applied to the inside of the insulation, just behind the OSB? You might be able to see it if you take the cover plate off the light switch, or at the edges of the door/window.

Does the room have an insulated door?

Do you plan to surface mount whatever electrical receptacles that you need, or will the one(s) under the electrical panel suffice?

If you’re not planning to finish the ceiling, nor do anything with the walls beyond painting, then I suggest that your plan for the floor is overkill. You’re not going to lose much heat through the floor. There is going to be a temperature gradient in this room, with it being cold at the floor and warm at the ceiling, but insulating for floor isn’t going to affect that very much. You’ll end up using a small auxiliary space heater under your desk, or resorting to wearing warm footwear in your office. You could just paint the floor to make it look a bit nicer or use some other type of modular flooring intended to lay directly on concrete without fastening.
 
#6 ·
Thanks for the thoughts. Yes, there is vapour barrier- can see it at the seams of the OSB in places and at the top of the wall.

All electrical will be enclosed surface mounted.

My thought with the floor was to try to make a small gain on temperature, as well as just have a more comfortable substrate than direct concrete (or LVP over concrete) for standing. YEs, IU'm a standing desk guy.

Perhaps I should be looking at a ceiling fan to push heat back down?
 
#3 ·
No advantage to insulation on the floor, it is in the mid 50s now and it will be much the same when the insulation is there for a day.
Solid block between the joists flush with the the outer edge of the wall and fill the joist bays with insulation.
No air gap needed there.
 
#7 ·
Thanks for the idea. I considered this, but this may be a fairly temporary setup so don't want to get too into redoing the floor...if this room goes back to its old purpose, would rather just rip up some 2x4s than have a few hundred bucks in radiant heat and self leveling on it.
 
#5 ·
Maybe carpet? Your feet directly on slab will feel colder. No difference if you insulated. Floor will be warm only if you keep it heated all the time. If some day hours or occasional, I would think robust space heater with big enough fan would be better. Volnado room heater. If wanting it warm whenever you want, then I think carpet and insulated walls and ceiling and maintain the heat, maybe turn it on in the morning and off at night. Maybe thicker or insulated door. But I think you should hold off and try the space in summer. 8x8 space is too little for me, even if just office/study. 8x8 is also too small for smallest window ac, I think. I've read portable ac is undercapacity, so it may work.
 
#8 ·
Thanks- it will be intermittently used- I'll be in for a few days, and then may be out for a week at a time where I'm just keeping the heat above freezing until I'm back in.

Wish I could wait until the summer, but unfortunately I don't think the baby who is on its way to occupy my current main-house office space will postpone 😅

Sizing is fine for me, I've worked in small spaces before and it doesn't bother me.
 
#11 ·
If you post a link to what you’ve been reading we can rebut it. Consider the walls, which have polyethylene as the moisture barrier with the entirety of the stud bays filled with insulation (hopefully). The polyethylene that you plan to put over the insulation in the ceiling should, if applied properly, prevent any moisture from your breathing or steaming cups of coffee from escaping the room until you open the door. Even if you don’t do the sealing properly and warm moist air escapes up into the insulated ceiling cavity, leaving an air gap there wouldn’t be of value. There would be nothing to cause the air to move along the joist bay, carrying the moisture with it. If your office was on the upper floor and you were insulating the sloped rafter bays of the roof, then you would leave a gap to allow air to flow over the insulation from the soffits to the vents in the top of the roof. In that case the slope of the roof will cause the more buoyant warmer air to migrate upwards to the vents.