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We have a newer house with an unfinished basement. I am in the middle of building a deck and decided I want a couple of outdoor outlets attached to the framing/skirting on the outside of the deck. The panel is only about 5 feet away from the wall that my deck will be attached to. I will add a new 20 amp circuit for the outlets. I have been researching online, and haven't found anything exactly like my situation.
My question is, should I:

1) Run 12/2 romex from the panel to a junction box near the exterior wall, transition to 12/2 UF-B wire, run the UF-B into a piece of PVC conduit that goes through the wall into a LB fitting on the outside of the house, and then attach the UF-B to the underside of my deck joists and connect the 2 or 3 outdoor outlets? Can I just run this all with 12/2 UF-B from the panel to the outlets, or do I need to use regular romex into the panel? Is the underside of my deck considered a "protected" location? If the UF-B wire spans between 2 joists (16" on center), is that "protected"? If not, then option 2 with conduit is better, I assume?

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2) Run 12/2 romex from the panel to a junction box near the exterior wall, transition to individual wet rated THHN conductors (white, black, ground) inside 3/4" flexible NM conduit, run the conduit through my wall and into an LB fitting, then attach the NM liquid tight conduit to the bottom of deck joists and connect the waterproof outdoor outlets? I know that the liquid tight conduit is considered a "wet" location, so individual wires are required. Is 1/2" conduit sufficient for 3 x 12 awg wires, or will I be better of with 3/4"?

A couple notes: The deck is a "ground level" deck, with about 12" clearance from the ground to bottom of deck joists nearest the house. Decking will be Trex PVC, with hidden fasteners, so I do not plan to ever take a piece of decking off once the work is complete. I am in Minnesota, so there will be rain and snow.
The first outlet will be an outdoor rated GFCI. Am I better off doing a GFI breaker? Or should I use an AFCI outlet? I see discussions that advocate for both options.
Thanks in advance for any feedback!
 
I third the suggestion to run the UF all the way. I would use a GFCI breaker even though more expensive. I don't like GFCI receptacles outside.

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Thanks for the feedback guys. Is the UF attached to the underside of my deck joists enough protection for the wire? What if it spans between joists - should those segments have conduit? Thanks again!
 
I always try to talk people out of hidden fasteners.
Most people will not be talked out of it.
There will come a time when you need to remove and/or replace a board,
and with hidden fasteners, you will be disassembling a lot more deck than you want to.
 
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I always try to talk people out of hidden fasteners.
Most people will not be talked out of it.
There will come a time when you need to remove and/or replace a board,
and with hidden fasteners, you will be disassembling a lot more deck than you want to.
For a PVC deck, there are a couple options for hidden fasteners. Either the cortex face screw + pvc plug, or the fasteners that slot into the groove on the edge of the deck board. Do you see pros/cons to either one? I am planning to do face screws and plugs for the picture framing pieces around the edge, and am undecided on the deck boards in the middle of the deck.
 
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