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Sealing between the masonry and framing

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#1 ·
Hello,

My new home had a 3 sided block outbuilding. THe roof was 3/8" plywood that was falling apart. My initial plan to just re-roof has turned into a fully enclosed shed build. I have framed the front wall and secured 2x6 top plates along the top of the block walls, adding sill seal foam between the block and lumber. The front wall framing is fastened to a bottom plate fastened to the concrete slab using Ramset fasteners. I plan to use LP Smartside panels as siding and will add flashing around the bottom running 4" underneath the siding.

My question is how to bridge the gap at each end of the wall between the wood framing and block wall. I was thinking I could nail flashing to the lumber and then use construction adhesive to secure it to the block and then add sealant to the edge. A trim board will then be installed on the outside of the flashing, leaving a small amount of flashing exposed where it meats the concrete. Is this a good plan?

I have also seen situations where a tape sealant/flashing is used. Would this be a better option? or place this under the metal flashing?

Thanks!
 

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#2 ·
Better would be to stop short of the side wall and build the wall on top of the block facing the outside and you can attach the first stud to the block and tie it together with the top plate. I would go with the peel and stick tape flashing. You will need a primer for the block wall.
That header should have 2 stud each end. If the width isn't important you could add it down to the floor.
 
#4 ·
Thank you for the replies. I drew up a sketch and took a screenshot of the model I made in Sketchup which should give a better visual. Since the there is a partition wall and all 3 walls are not perfectly lined up I chose to put the framing in front of all of the block instead of having the walls between as you suggested Nealtw. That way I will have a continuous and straight exterior.

The block wall faces are not perfectly straight. and in order to get the front wall plumb the bottom of the framing at each of the end walls is separated by ~.5-1" from the block. I am trying to find the best way to seal this and make the transition between the 2 materials. It is a shed so it does not have to be perfect.

Nealtw, To clarify are you saying I should have 2 jack studs + a king stud? I am putting a sliding door over this opening so the opening width does not matter too much. This is my first experience framing so I am learning from research online and the projects I looked at with similar sized doors only have 1 jack stud. Would the reason for 2 be the length of the opening?

Thank you again for the help!
 

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#7 ·
2 jacks for 60" and more

The wall we can see where you have it on top the wall. I would have cut that at your last full length stud. On top of the wall the bottom plate would have gone the other way, in line with the front of the big wall and bumped into the block wall. Then install a stud and nail it to the block and the second stud goes at the front lined up with the big wall. Tie it together with the second top plate overlap.
 
#5 ·
If you were building a house you would probably want 2 jack studs on each side. Since it is a shed its probably okay the way you have it. I think code is 1 jack stud for 2x6 spanning up to 5'5". Since this is just a shed i wouldn't worry too much about it unless you have massive snow loads. As for sealing that off I don't know the best way. If I was doing it I would try to get it as straight as possible with grout/stucco before putting the wall up then seal it with a tube of silicon
 
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Thank you both for the feedback. As I am new to framing I thought this shed would be a good learning experience. While I want too keep the weather out, a completely watertight building is not necessary and the old roof consisting of bare 3/8" plywood was still standing after who knows how long (decades) albeit rotten so I am not to concerned about snow loading. The area is also very wind protected so not much risk there. My municipality follows IBC which would not apply to this structure (under 120 sq ft) so if its not up to code no big deal, but I do want to learn as much as possible in case my next project is governed by local or IBC code (I downloaded 2003 IBC and have been reading through it).

I think my plan is put a piece of insulation foam in between the framing and block. Add adhesive flashing to cover the gap then maybe aluminum flashing on top of that to offer mechanical protection. Nealtw is the primer you mentioned an adhesive? I have seen this mentioned in several articles. (i.e. 3M Super 77 spray adhesive)