[johnfak75]

Hi guys
Want to relocate the bottom left outlet to the big hole in themiddle of house. DoingT+G wall and want to hide the electrical.
Whats the safe way with regard to extending these wires used for the existing outlet another 6ft.

thx

A is the existing middle of run/ganged 2 plug outlet. The wires run down the bottom (see other pic) and my guess is into the master bedroom directly on the otherside of wall.

There is a single romex wire going through the joists where the larger red line is - I assume thats the feed wire to the bedroom that eventuall goes to the outlet at A ... or possibly it runs the other way to feed 1 or two more outlets on the other wall right of pic.

But goal here is to hide and relocate the existing outlet to the hole at B. Can I just get a protective junction box and two strands of ~8ft wire and extend ... and tie and secure in junction box with normal wingnuts ? Will be behind wall obviously.

eg something like ....

Finally ,........ ideally Id like to covert the 2 outlet to 4 outlet if possible ........... (TV, DVD player, soundbar, fireplace) ......... is that easy enough to do ?
I think my amps with the fireplace will be too high to run in heat mode .... but have a split unit so will just be using for ambience unless nothing else on circuit running.

Anyway - first question is to relocate the existing 2 outlet middle of run to the main hole ~8ft away.
thanks !!

 

[johnfak75]

Existing outlet showing two wires that go down and tuck back to left of the stud probably from mainbedroom.

 

[johnfak75]

Is the fireplace electric or gas?

Any splices need to be in a permanently accessible junction box. Splices are not to be buried like behind the tongue and groove.

"Will be behind wall obviously"

Nope, not allowed. You could make splices in this box and put a blank cover over. Otherwise, the solution is to go back to the previous box and run a new, longer cable from there.

All splices/junctions must be in an accessible box.

Thx - learned that today - but given the amount of buried junctions I've seen at peoples houses ...... makes me wonder - but does make sense.
SO yeah - going to leave and access plate there with coutout to junction box - thx.

 

[johnfak75]

I vote for leaving the old outlet and routing a branch up to your new outlet on the wall with some lever nuts splices. vacuums always need a low plug that is obvious and accessible.

also, now is a good chance to add blocking between studs and/or screw plywood right to the studs so you can mount the tv hanger to the plywood or the blocking/studs and then trim the T&G around it so it's as solid as it can be.

This is what the old boy at the hardware store said to do - so my plan unti lI got back here to check with you guys.
Basically tie those two lines together and add a third run up to the new area - all with wingnuts in a plastic accessible box.

So 3 x 14/2 wires .........

Im thinking if I do it that way ....... I can then piggy back a second 2 prong outlet off the first 8 ft run into the large cutout at (B) ....... and have 4 outlets up there.

1 for TV
1 for DVD player
1 for fireplace light/flames.
1 for some other accesory if required.


doable ? Seems doable after talking with the local hardware guy - but you know - never know who your getting although generally good.

 

[johnfak75]

So if your using the existing outlet as it was - here how it was wired.

To make the 8ft run to the [B} section ....... you can just use the side terminals since the push locks are full.

So 1 black to plack side terminal (brass screws).
1 White to white side terminalk (silver screws )
ground to ground wires and terminated.


then at box just pin them into first 2 outlet ..... and then daisy them to the second outlet (For 4 outlets).

 

[johnfak75]

Why would you want 4 socket-outlets up behind your TV?
"1 for TV
1 for DVD player
1 for fireplace light/flames.
1 for some other accesory (sic) if required."

Surely it would be better to have
the non-TV socket-outlets near "Floor Level", so that the
" DVD player,
fireplace light/flames.
some other accesory if required."
could be fed 120 V from there and
have the "signal cables" fed (via a "duct") to behind the TV.

You would need a "duct" from the lower point to the rear of the TV - for HDMI etc cables.
However, in any case, you are going to need a "duct" (somewhere) to feed the TV signal to the TV, whether it is from an antenna, "cable", DVD or other "accessory".

With any "duct", you would also need something like the recessed outlet box shown in Post #7 at the lower end of the "duct" - to "insert" the extra-low-voltage TV signal cables.

The items that you refer to as "Wingnuts" are "Twist-On Wire Connectors" or "Wire Nuts".
14/2 Cable - is a Cable which contains the Conductors (Wires, if you must.)

There will be a duct for hdmi But The best to hide the power will be behind the TV contained within the bracket itself. The TV is quite big so when its pushed back onto the wall you wont see any wiring unless your looking from the side - but even then mostly hidden.

 

[johnfak75]

I would take out that receptacle and replace it with a new one. Here's the reason, you don't need/want those backstabs and rather than trying to release them, just get new receptacle. You would then take the two whites (neutrals) along with your new run white, and a short piece of wire for a pigtail. The pigtail would just go to one of the screws on the neutral side. Do the same with the black. You could use a 4-port Wago connector (lever or push-in) to connect them. You will have a much better splice than using the screws and backstab on the receptacle.

Also tie all the grounds together with a single wire (pigtail) to the ground screw.

thx

 

[johnfak75]

FYI/FWIW - spoke with the boss and with everyones suggestions here going with this ......

1) Add another romex run in at the bottom to go to - so three strands romex all tied together (black/black/black) (white/white/white) (ground /ground/ground) at junction [A].

2) Piggytail a 4th strand (single wire) from each three strand color branch to the bottom receptacle which we will keep for now at [A]- if we close later will just remove receptacle and face plate. This ties everything into circuit together.

3) Run the additional single romex 8ft run up to -> where blue box now is - adjustable depth for T&G wall.

Will go with this unless someone says bad idea Think that makes sense and right

thx for help all

 

[johnfak75]

 

[johnfak75]

Done - thx all