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Your Bosch 500 series dishwasher’s Normal cycle time of about 2.5 hours is typical for modern, energy-efficient models. lots of people have reported similar longer cycle times with dishwashers from the past few years. The Speed 60 cycle is a great feature if you need quicker cleaning.
 
Your Bosch 500 series dishwasher’s Normal cycle time of about 2.5 hours is typical for modern, energy-efficient models. Many users have reported similar longer cycle times with dishwashers from the past few years. The Speed 60 cycle is a great feature if you need quicker cleaning.
 
I bought a Bosch 500 series and should have it in 3 weeks. Owners manual says it takes approx 2.5 hrs for a Normal cycle. My 20 yr old Kenmore takes 1/2 hr. I know the new ones are super energy efficient and the time is not important to me but does that sound correct? Anyone else have the same with a less than 5-7 yr old machine?

It has a Speed 60 ( minutes ) cycle in case you need clean dishes in a hurry?

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There is a reason that Bosch dishwashers are the first top 8 best dishwashers in Consumer Reports ratings, and it is because they are the best dishwashers. I have always had KitchenAid, and they all came at a premium price. Repeated failures on my third machine 3 years ago convinced me to look at other brands so I checked Consumer Reports and decided on the Bosch, (which also had the top ratings back then) and it was the best decision we ever made, and I paid far less for it than I would have for a KitchenAid. It is the series 100 and my wife always uses the 60-minute cycle and absolutely loves the machine. It is so quiet you almost can't hear it running. Knowingly or not, you made a very wise purchase by getting the Bosch
 
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There is a reason that Bosch dishwashers are the first top 8 best dishwashers in Consumer Reports ratings, and it is because they are the best dishwashers. I have always had KitchenAid, and they all came at a premium price. Repeated failures on my third machine 3 years ago convinced me to look at other brands so I checked Consumer Reports and decided on the Bosch, (which also had the top ratings back then) and it was the best decision we ever made, and I paid far less for it than I would have for a KitchenAid. It is the series 100 and my wife always uses the 60-minute cycle and absolutely loves the machine. It is so quiet you almost can't hear it running. Knowingly or not, you made a very wise purchase by getting the Bosch
I am an Engineer and do LOTS of research on purchases plus I understand a LOT about pumps and motors and solenoid valves. I plan to use the 60 minute cycle to save wear and tear on the motor and pump and my dishes are not that messy and require a long cycle. If it is something special I can change the cycle.

I suspect Bosch like Braun shavers and Sony TVs have decided to make a Mercedes quality product for people who are willing to pay for that quality. They are not interested in competing with all the Korean and other cheaper dog eat dog race to the bottom priced brands.

I have been buying Braun shavers for 40 years and the quality is the same and they have a loyal " captive " audience. Same with Sony so I suspect they want to keep that audience. Same with Toyota and Honda. Makes sense.
 
My Whirlpool WDF330PAHW2 was the least expensive machine available at Lowes 6 years ago. Installed it myself and Lowes took the 18-year old Whirlpool away for $400. It takes 2 hours to complete the "Normal" cycle @55 db with heated water and no-heat dry. I'm a bachelor, so I can let them air-dry, and that means I can put plastics like Tupperware on the lower rack without melting them. It also has a 1-hour cycle but I don't use that much. It's not completely silent, but for the price I can live with the low noise level.
 
So, after contemplating this thread, I ran the 60-minute "quick" cycle this morning. I think this would be the second time in 8 years that I've tried that cycle.

It really did finish in about 60 minutes. I wasn't there to witness the last few minutes, but it was close. The "normal" cycle generally finishes 10-20 minutes earlier than the initial estimate.

The dishes came out clean. One thing I did notice, however, was that they were a LOT hotter than they usually are at the end of the "normal" cycle. Almost too hot to touch. I'm not really sure why. Maybe it actually gets them hotter to clean them quicker (at the expense of efficiency) or maybe it just finishes sooner so they don't have as long to cool down. I might get an energy monitoring smart plug to get an idea where in each cycle it runs the heater.

I guess none of this really matters much. Just... Who else am I gonna share this knowledge with?

I miss the old days when appliances actually had a ladder diagram or some such on them, explaining details about each cycle. Now we're left to wonder what the computer is really doing.
 
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So, after contemplating this thread, I ran the 60-minute "quick" cycle this morning. I think this would be the second time in 8 years that I've tried that cycle.

It really did finish in about 60 minutes. I wasn't there to witness the last few minutes, but it was close. The "normal" cycle generally finishes 10-20 minutes earlier than the initial estimate.

The dishes came out clean. One thing I did notice, however, was that they were a LOT hotter than they usually are at the end of the "normal" cycle. Almost too hot to touch. I'm not really sure why. Maybe it actually gets them hotter to clean them quicker (at the expense of efficiency) or maybe it just finishes sooner so they don't have as long to cool down. I might get an energy monitoring smart plug to get an idea where in each cycle it runs the heater.

I guess none of this really matters much. Just... Who else am I gonna share this knowledge with?

I miss the old days when appliances actually had a ladder diagram or some such on them, explaining details about each cycle. Now we're left to wonder what the computer is really doing.
Yeah may be just trivia. I spend $2 a day on Boost drinks and am not trying to pinch pennies just get a good machine that works and lasts a long time.
 
Hope nothing goes wrong
I would imagine the worst thing that could happen is water leaking, but I utilize a Flood Safe hose to prevent that. I had a valve pop on an older machine and we came home to a quart of water on the floor. The flood safe hose stopped a catastrophe.
 
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So, after contemplating this thread, I ran the 60-minute "quick" cycle this morning. I think this would be the second time in 8 years that I've tried that cycle.

It really did finish in about 60 minutes. I wasn't there to witness the last few minutes, but it was close. The "normal" cycle generally finishes 10-20 minutes earlier than the initial estimate.

The dishes came out clean. One thing I did notice, however, was that they were a LOT hotter than they usually are at the end of the "normal" cycle. Almost too hot to touch. I'm not really sure why. Maybe it actually gets them hotter to clean them quicker (at the expense of efficiency) or maybe it just finishes sooner so they don't have as long to cool down. I might get an energy monitoring smart plug to get an idea where in each cycle it runs the heater.

I guess none of this really matters much. Just... Who else am I gonna share this knowledge with?

I miss the old days when appliances actually had a ladder diagram or some such on them, explaining details about each cycle. Now we're left to wonder what the computer is really doing.
Good thing I don't need a new washing machine. The choices and options are endless. My old Kenmore should chug along for at least 25 years and has all old school mechanical controls.
 
The long cycle is mainly to soak dishes so they come out cleaner. Even the old ones re cycle a good bit of water -- the new ones probably more. Allows more drying time also, not sure how long the drying element is actually running during the dry time, I'm sure it's not the entire time. One way to increase the efficiency of your dish washer is to run the hot water at the kitchen sink until it's actually coming out hot. The dishwasher senses water temp and will only use the element to heat water as necessary. If you have a tankless water heater or the water heater is a good distance from the kitchen this helps a lot.
 
We've been using the same Asko for 30+ years. If you treat them right, and use softened water, they will last for a long time. I don't think the US-made dishwashers last as long.
 
I think the interesting thing in looking at your original post is the spec sheet says that the 1 hour cycle appears that it may take less water (3.8 Gal vs 2.4-6.9 Gal for other cycles), and will definitely use less power (since it only runs 1 hour rather than multiple hours)(0.710 Kilowatt per Hour x 1 hour vs. 0.810 - 1.150 Kilowatt per Hour x ~1.5-3 hours).

After looking at that spec sheet it has me wondering what benefit there is to running it on any of the other cycles (with the exception of Heavy for heavy soiled items) - that chart was a little eye opening, thank you for sharing it.
 
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I think the interesting thing in looking at your original post is the spec sheet says that the 1 hour cycle appears that it may take less water (3.8 Gal vs 2.4-6.9 Gal for other cycles), and will definitely use less power (since it only runs 1 hour rather than multiple hours)(0.710 Kilowatt per Hour x 1 hour vs. 0.810 - 1.150 Kilowatt per Hour x ~1.5-3 hours).

After looking at that spec sheet it has me wondering what benefit there is to running it on any of the other cycles (with the exception of Heavy for heavy soiled items) - that chart was a little eye opening, thank you for sharing it.
I am an Engineer and understand wear and tear and " running hours " ( like car mileage ) and don't see any advantage to wearing out the pump and motor.

I also don't see any advantage for the other cycles BUT some people like to almost sterilize their dishes etc and maybe it makes them feel better. Or they have certain dishes that require different cycles. Mine are all basic. I find rinse agent to be very important and useful and yeah it is a bit expensive but worth it to keep the machine / pump cleaner and maybe it will last longer.
 
How long is your dishwasher cycle?

Depends on how much is in the sink - usually less than 10 minutes.
(I've never comprehended the dishwasher when you have to wash the dishes before putting them in the machine). I just don't get it.
 
Funny how this thread came back around after a year of dormancy...

Just today my "normal" cycle, which usually takes about an hour and a half to 1:45 or so, added an "extra" hour to the cycle. It was a fairly full load, and admittedly I didn't pre-rinse as well as I usually do.

Now I have to wait for it to finish before getting on with my day. This just reinforces my theory that pre-rinsing is well worth it. Our family is split on this question and it's a sure way to get an argument started at any get-together. Besides my own impatience, my other argument is that I have a septic system, and there's no need to send any more food down to it, macerated or not.
 
An important consideration when looking at dishwasher cycle times is, long cycle times do not necessarily mean that the motor and pump are running for the entire cycle, it's because on the newer machines, (like the Bosch) a large portion of that cycle time is soaking with nothing running, a big reason why those machines get such high ratings for their ability to get really dirty dishes clean.
 
How long is your dishwasher cycle?

Depends on how much is in the sink - usually less than 10 minutes.
(I've never comprehended the dishwasher when you have to wash the dishes before putting them in the machine). I just don't get it.

As a single living alone, I soak the dishes beginning at breakfast, through lunch then dinner.

Then before bedtime, it takes ten minutes to wash and stack a days' worth in the drainer.

Overnight they dry and are stored at breakfast.

Dishwasher is there as a decoration unneeded.

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Maybe some people don't eat all their food completely ( I see that in restaurants ) and stick in dirty dishes with uneaten food on them. I was raised to eat everything and not waste anything. My dishes don't have uneaten food on them and are reasonably clean. Other than severely baked on lasagna dishes which I don't have anymore as I buy it premade my dishes don't require super scrubbing and cleaning. Those I use Dawn Powerwash on and a scrubber pad and hand wash.

I use Dawn Powerwash on some larger ones to do a quick clean and then put them away so I can get more regular bowls etc in and run less loads and make my machine last longer. When you grow up poor you tend to try make your machines last as long as possible. Gets ingrained in yer brain. > Buy the best you can afford and take care of it and try make it last.


As far as pre rinsing and saving water etc I don't really pay attention to how much water I use. Not going to scrimp on showers and count pennies. I do run the water until it gets warm out my tap B4 starting the washer so it does not have to use the internal heater and I put that water in my Keurig machine and regular coffee maker.
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