[Deja-vue]

So I installed Win 10 on a Test Machine, and try to find out what exactly are the differences between a Hard Drive, aa SSD, and on one of those new Nvme Drives.
The first one is a regular Hitachi 500 GB Hard Drive, made in 2012, but tested fine with no errors:

 

[Deja-vue]

The second one I tested (after cloning) was a Crucial SSD, 500 GB:

 

[Deja-vue]

The last one was a Corsair MP510 Nvme Drive:

 

[Deja-vue]

As you can see, the differences are tremendous.
Happy New Year!

 

[user_12345a]

I'm betting 99% of users couldn't tell the difference between Nvme and a regular SATA SSD. Law of diminishing returns applies.

 

[Mystriss]

I'd actually disagree. I've watched my mother try to copy their pictures into different folders - I guarantee she noticed the difference when I put her on an SSD.

Similarly, Father was quite sure his router was broken because his ipad was opening pages "slower than at the Casino" - took me nearly an hour to explain wifi speed cause he thought it worked like analog TV "waves" heh

 

[user_12345a]

regular ssd is already so fast - increase the speed by five times and the difference is fractions of a second for booting, copying most files and launching programs.

 

[Deja-vue]

Well, Folks, I just wanted to show it in real Numbers. And....I was curious, obviously.:smile:

I did see a noticeable difference between the Samsung SSD compared to the new Samsung 970 EVO plus Nvme on my own System. Combine that with a nice Motherboard, an AMD Threadripper, tons of memory and everything flies.

Back in the early 90's, I was unhappy about the Hard Drive Speeds, back then we had 5200 or 4800 Rpm IDE Drives, if I remember.
I switched to Ultrawide SCSI Drives, running at 10.000 Rpm.
NT4 was ripping, lol.

The high Failure rate, high Temperatures and the noise they made
(not to mention the cost and power-consumption) scared me away finally. :crying:

 

[ZZZZZ]

Well, Folks, I just wanted to show it in real Numbers. And....I was curious, obviously.:smile:

I did see a noticeable difference between the Samsung SSD compared to the new Samsung 970 EVO plus Nvme on my own System. Combine that with a nice Motherboard, an AMD Threadripper, tons of memory and everything flies.

Back in the early 90's, I was unhappy about the Hard Drive Speeds, back then we had 5200 or 4800 Rpm IDE Drives, if I remember.
I switched to Ultrawide SCSI Drives, running at 10.000 Rpm.
NT4 was ripping, lol.

The high Failure rate, high Temperatures and the noise they made
(not to mention the cost and power-consumption) scared me away finally. :crying:

We used to say SCSI was scuzzy.

:vs_laugh:
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[user_12345a]

80 to 100mb per second from a regular 7200 rpm drive works fine for me.

It's super fast on xp and on 7, pretty tolerable.

I may upgrade to a regular sata ssd, beyond that there's not much of a point. The adapter card for the newer connection is $50 canadian vs the $20 to 30 for a regular sata 3 add on card - needed to get full performance on older boards which support sata2.

The drive itself costs more too.

How many seconds per day would a nvme drive save me? 5?

If the controller card for a nvme fails I can't just plug it into a port on the board for troubleshooting and access to data, since it's not backwards compatible with sata connections.

No thanks.

 

[ktownskier]

80 to 100mb per second from a regular 7200 rpm drive works fine for me.

It's super fast on xp and on 7, pretty tolerable.

I may upgrade to a regular sata ssd, beyond that there's not much of a point. The adapter card for the newer connection is $50 canadian vs the $20 to 30 for a regular sata 3 add on card - needed to get full performance on older boards which support sata2.

The drive itself costs more too.

How many seconds per day would a nvme drive save me? 5?

If the controller card for a nvme fails I can't just plug it into a port on the board for troubleshooting and access to data, since it's not backwards compatible with sata connections.

No thanks.

Why are you dissing @Deja Vue on his review of the differences between the three types of drives and how much faster the new drives are?

Yes, the new drives are much faster, and much more expensive.

And I get that it doesn't matter to do you.

But, it may matter to others.

I was fascinated by it. I am also fascinated that he was intrigued enough about it to actually go and measure the differences, make an understandable readout that most people were able to interpret and then publish it.

Thanks @deja vue for taking the time for doing it.

Then again, I am dumbfounded that you @user_12345 would take the time to Bah Humbug the effort and then go ahead and continue the nay saying about it not being worthwhile to upgrade to a new drive like the ones being discussed.

Please, feel free to express that you don't personally see the need to spend the money to upgrade to save what you feel is minuscule time savings. But please don't denigrate others who feel that it is a worthwhile endeavor.

They may have much more disk intensive software needs than you that this would make a considerable difference.

Who knows? I sure as heck don't do that much anymore. But, I would take a look at one just for the heck of it. Being the geek I am.

 

[user_12345a]

Nothing wrong with doing testing - just pointing out that the numbers are deceptive for the typical user who isn't dealing with huge files all the time. (the huge files which actually shorten the life of SSDs if constantly erased/ written)

If it takes 10 seconds to do a disk intensive task on a regular 7200 rpm drive, it will take 2 on a sata3 SSD and 0.28 seconds on a nvme drive. You get the majority of improvement spending less money.

So speed doesn't matter much after a certain point.

There's nothing wrong with pointing that out.

 

[ktownskier]

Like anything else, do research before you spend your hard earned money.

If you are using software that is disk intensive, chances are, you have already upgraded to an SS drive. Especially if you are on your own dime. And, you are already doing a cost benefit analysis of the new, even faster drive.

However, if you are working in a shop that is not your own, then it is up to the powers the be, to make that determination.

I can see it making a big difference in a server farm, video editing, any kind of data analysis, accounting, the list goes on.

Also, game playing could see a big improvement.

You pays your monies and you takes your chances.

 

[HDS]

Thanks for sharing. I used to build my own PCs and haven't kept up with all the new tech. Recently put a new SSD into my wife's laptop and it made a world of difference.

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[surferdude2]

Those are impressive speed differences. Someday I'll probably need that kind of speed but for the time being I get by by having a large enough drive so I can use the MOVE command and not have to do the much slower COPY between drives. My current drive writes 8 times faster than my download speed from the cable so an SSD wouldn't help that.

Thanks for the posting... it tells me that when I get a new computer I'll go for one with an SSD if only for bragging rights. ‹(•¿•)› I'm thinking it would be nice to be able to quickly copy some of my 40 gig drive image files to a secondary drive for redundancy in backups.

SD2

 

[u3b3rg33k]

sequential read/write is nice and all, but real world cares far more about the 4k random/IOPS. show me that with at 10x multiplier and I'm game for an upgrade.

 

[ktownskier]

We used to say SCSI was scuzzy.

:vs_laugh:
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Yeah, but they were quick and fast. And in the late 90's, they cost an arm and a leg for what we thought was a lot of space. 4.7 gigs or something like that.

I had to keep my DBA up on managing my storage for my application. And if you had health insurance through UnitedHealth Care, every time you called in to ask a question about coverage, check on a claim, ask about a doc, etc.. your calls were being documented on the software that I supported.

 

[Deja-vue]

Thanks for some of your positive posts. Of course I was ready for the negativity that is always thrown at me when I talk about Speed and newer Technology.
I always wanted the fastest machines, best possible computer (as much as my wallet allowed, of course).:wink2:

I used to upgrade my Computer every 2 years, now my new one here I built after retiring my old one after some 6-7 years. Don't play that upgrade Game anymore. Also, I don't play Games on my computer anymore, so these Monster Videocards costing $700 and up are no longer important for me.
4K is and I'm waiting patiently for those Ultra wide Screens in 4K to come down a bit on the pricing.

What some of you forget when it comes to these SSD's is you don't save 5 seconds per Day, you save the 5 seconds per click, and no more frustration during the day working on slow machines.
To me, there is nothing worse than a slow computer.
I charge my Customers $125/hour for troubleshooting, sometimes work on several computers at the same Time remotely from my machine, and just can't tolerate slow responses from my own Rig.
Time is money. My attitude may change when I finally retire.
:vs_cool:

 

[user_12345a]

Since you have access to an SSD SATA drive and Nvme, it would be interesting to see if there's a noticeable difference using the machine.

Maybe even have someone else do the swap and do a "blind study".

 

[Deja-vue]

sequential read/write is nice and all, but real world cares far more about the 4k random/IOPS. show me that with at 10x multiplier and I'm game for an upgrade.

Here you go, tested with my own Rig, got nothing to compare it with at the moment.