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someone just gave me an old welder a craftsman dual range 295 amp welder.... i only plan to use 3/32nd rods around 110 range...... I have a detached barn with a sub ran from house using a 40 amp breaker with 6 GA wire not sure why... All that the barn really uses is 4 lights, one sensor light on the outside, and a few receptacles fed by 2...20 amp breakers....... what size breaker would you recommend for this welder? what is safe. what is the max breaker size i can add ..... I do not know enough to and cannot google the answer...do i need to replace the 40 in the house?
 

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Usually welders like this are on a 50 amp circuit. The trip curve of a typical 50 amp breaker pretty closely matches the duty cycle of the welder.

I've seen plenty of them on 30s though. That's what a typical temporary power box on a construction job will have. A 30 will trip if you weld for a long time at a high current setting, or if you stick the rod for more than about 5 seconds.

Here's what the code has to say; (Article 630).

1) Wire size; for a welder like you have, the minimum wire size is the rated input current multiplied by the value given in the duty cycle table. (20%=.45, 30%=.55, 40&=.63, 50%=.71, 60%=.78.) Most buzz-boxes are 50 amps and a 20% duty cycle.

2) Breaker size. There's no minimum, but the maximum cannot be more than 200% of the rated current. If there's a cord and plug, the breaker size cannot be more than the rating of the receptacle. The breaker cannot exceed 200% of the wire size in any case.

This is one of the few times you can have a larger breaker than normally allowed, but only if the welder is hard-wired.

Rob

P.S. If I were you, I'd put it on a 30. That way, if it does trip, there's a good chance that the main at the house will stay on, and thus the lights will also stay on.
 

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Usually welders like this are on a 50 amp circuit. The trip curve of a typical 50 amp breaker pretty closely matches the duty cycle of the welder.

I've seen plenty of them on 30s though. That's what a typical temporary power box on a construction job will have. A 30 will trip if you weld for a long time at a high current setting, or if you stick the rod for more than about 5 seconds.

Here's what the code has to say; (Article 630).

1) Wire size; for a welder like you have, the minimum wire size is the rated input current multiplied by the value given in the duty cycle table. (20%=.45, 30%=.55, 40&=.63, 50%=.71, 60%=.78.) Most buzz-boxes are 50 amps and a 20% duty cycle.

2) Breaker size. There's no minimum, but the maximum cannot be more than 200% of the rated current. If there's a cord and plug, the breaker size cannot be more than the rating of the receptacle. The breaker cannot exceed 200% of the wire size in any case.

This is one of the few times you can have a larger breaker than normally allowed, but only if the welder is hard-wired.

Rob

P.S. If I were you, I'd put it on a 30. That way, if it does trip, there's a good chance that the main at the house will stay on, and thus the lights will also stay on.

Great thanks, THere is some 10-2 already ran to an outlet will just changed boxes and run a 30 amp breaker...
 
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