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One story brick rancher needs work on four related areas:

  1. The wood siding.
  2. The wood fascia/eaves/soffit/rafter-ends/sheeting.
  3. The gutters.
  4. The asphalt roof shingles.
Don't like painting the wood surfaces so may go with new siding material. (Any suggestions?)

Tired of needing to clean the gutters.

  • Which project comes first, second, third and fourth?

  • What kind of contractor is best for each of the four?
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  • The wood surfaces of the gable-end walls and porch pillars, the south and west facing ones, have severely flaking paint.

  • The fascia/eaves/soffit/rafter-ends/sheeting, on the north and east sides, have some rot - especially at the two ends. There is no drip edge.

  • The "U" shaped gutters are in good condition but require periodic cleaning, which I forget to do until they get clogged and spill water onto the fascia and the ground. I've tried screen guards but the cedar needles pile up just above them and become a water dam of sorts.

  • The asphalt shingles are nearly 25 years old and starting to lose their integrity, flexibility and sand.
 

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Roofing first because to properly flash an area where the roof meets the wall, the roofer may need to remove some siding. if the roofer knows the siding is being redone he is more likley to do his job properly and replace the flashings. ALOT of roofers don't replce flashings because they don't want to mess with the siding.

Soffit/fascia and siding is pretty much the same as siding and IMO should be done at the same time. However can be done seperately. If done seperately, I can't recommend because it would depend on what you have there now and how it ties together.

Preferrably the whole project can be done at one time and the roofers tear off the gutters then the gutter crew comes in last after the siding and installs the gutters and downspouts. The gutters really can be done any time and are independant of the roof and the siding, but I feel you get a better edge detail at the gutter when the gutters are replaced with the roof. keep in mind the siding guys will have to remove and reattach downspouts when they do the siding if the gutters are done first. Not a huge deal.


So to summarize, if ALL work is being done as one big exterior make over it would be roof siding gutters. If work is being phased out I would suggest roof and gutters then siding.


Just to throw a cork screw, I would suggest windows with the siding or before the siding.
 

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If you are doing a full exterior re-do, Grumpy makes an excellent point with the windows!

If you have the extra $, I'd even recommend adding some rigid insulation under the siding...
 

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Roofing first because to properly flash an area where the roof meets the wall, the roofer may need to remove some siding. if the roofer knows the siding is being redone he is more likley to do his job properly and replace the flashings. ALOT of roofers don't replce flashings because they don't want to mess with the siding.

Soffit/fascia and siding is pretty much the same as siding and IMO should be done at the same time. However can be done seperately. If done seperately, I can't recommend because it would depend on what you have there now and how it ties together.

Preferrably the whole project can be done at one time and the roofers tear off the gutters then the gutter crew comes in last after the siding and installs the gutters and downspouts. The gutters really can be done any time and are independant of the roof and the siding, but I feel you get a better edge detail at the gutter when the gutters are replaced with the roof. keep in mind the siding guys will have to remove and reattach downspouts when they do the siding if the gutters are done first. Not a huge deal.


So to summarize, if ALL work is being done as one big exterior make over it would be roof siding gutters. If work is being phased out I would suggest roof and gutters then siding.


Just to throw a cork screw, I would suggest windows with the siding or before the siding.
I want to do the job in the way that will get the best results. All at once, in the right order, is fine.

Are we talking three different contractors (1 = roof, 2 = siding, 3 = gutters)?

What if there is some rot at the ends of some roof rafters? Who does that?

All the windows are low e, double pane, vinyl with metal trim. Just a few years old and doing well. No contact with any of the wood siding.
 

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If you are doing a full exterior re-do, Grumpy makes an excellent point with the windows!

If you have the extra $, I'd even recommend adding some rigid insulation under the siding...
If you don't count front porch columns, fascia and soffits, the siding is strictly at the gable ends of the attic. The attic is passively ventilated to the outside.
 

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If you don't count front porch columns, fascia and soffits, the siding is strictly at the gable ends of the attic. The attic is passively ventilated to the outside.
Ah...missed the "brick" in the OP...best of luck
 

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Well can all 1 contractor do the job? Maybe. Jack of all trades, master of none OR general contractor subbing it out?

I am a roofing contractor, we focus on roofing and gutter. I do siding from time to time but try to avoid it. When we do siding, I sub it out to a friend of mine. I try to be a specialist as much as possible. Can someone be good at roofing and siding? Sure. I just chose to take myc ompany into a different direction. Instead of being a residential exterior expert, I chose to be a roofing expert for residential and commercial.

Having said that my gutter crew installs soffit and fascia all the time on jobs which don't involve any siding. The average roofer with a break and cutting table can install soffit and fascia. If the siding is gables only, seems like a simple job, even something I wouldn't walk away from.

Personally I'd contact a roofing contractor, since that's the big part of the project. Chances are likely he'll be able to do the gutters since most roofers I know also install gutters. And chances are likely he'll be able to install the siding or know a friend who can come work with his crew for a day or two to get it done.


If the roofer can't get the gutters and siding done, no worries. You can contract with a few different companies to get it done. Just make sure to ask questions. See similiar work, speak to past customers, etc...
 

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I don't mean to disagree with Grumpy. He knows what he's talking about. We just do things differently.

We would come and want the whole job. It's much easier for the different "systems" to work together if the same people do all of it. Not that it can't be done with different companies who usually work together though.

I would recommend a full exterior company or one that works on projects like yours regularly. Chances are, everyone that works at your house will be a sub contractor anyhow. I doubt there are many working contractors in your area of the country.
 

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I don't mean to disagree with Grumpy. He knows what he's talking about. We just do things differently.

We would come and want the whole job. It's much easier for the different "systems" to work together if the same people do all of it. Not that it can't be done with different companies who usually work together though.

I would recommend a full exterior company or one that works on projects like yours regularly. Chances are, everyone that works at your house will be a sub contractor anyhow. I doubt there are many working contractors in your area of the country.
I really do want the "different systems working together". Is there a "phone book" section type name for a "full exterior company" like that? Probably "general contractor" - but my job may not be big enough to interest a really good one.

I haven't tried yet, but it may actually be tough for me to get interest in this job right now for a second reason. We are in one of the counties that was hit hard by the April tornado outbreak. There is a lot of rebuilding and repairing going on.
 

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I really do want the "different systems working together". Is there a "phone book" section type name for a "full exterior company" like that? Probably "general contractor" - but my job may not be big enough to interest a really good one.

I haven't tried yet, but it may actually be tough for me to get interest in this job right now for a second reason. We are in one of the counties that was hit hard by the April tornado outbreak. There is a lot of rebuilding and repairing going on.
Go to your local lumber yards (not box store) contractors desk in person and ask for referrals.
 

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I don't disagree with MJW. I bet he will also agree that he is the exception to the rule. Most companies will sub out other aspects of the work, this is especially true of general contractors who may sub out 99%. So if you want the same guys installing the roof as will install the siding you better insist when speaking with the sales rep, because chances are very very likley the company will sub to one crew and sub to another.

I don't feel you can be good at all things, and I found us starting to get watered down back in about 2007. In 2008 I made the decision that we really needed to focus and specialize in a few areas. For business reasons I really wanted to get more into commercial and flat, and nobody is going to take a "Roofing & Siding" company seriously in the big commercial roofing market, so we axed anything from our services that wasn't directly related to roofing and began to focus solely on roofing and gutters. Like I said you can't be great at all things and I took my company in a different direction than MJW. You gotta pick a couple things and focus on those.


In regards to the tornado work, if you don't need to do it now, wait until the flurry of out of state contractors has died down and the locals are once again looking for work.
 

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I don't disagree with MJW. I bet he will also agree that he is the exception to the rule. Most companies will sub out other aspects of the work, this is especially true of general contractors who may sub out 99%. So if you want the same guys installing the roof as will install the siding you better insist when speaking with the sales rep, because chances are very very likley the company will sub to one crew and sub to another.

I don't feel you can be good at all things, and I found us starting to get watered down back in about 2007. In 2008 I made the decision that we really needed to focus and specialize in a few areas. For business reasons I really wanted to get more into commercial and flat, and nobody is going to take a "Roofing & Siding" company seriously in the big commercial roofing market, so we axed anything from our services that wasn't directly related to roofing and began to focus solely on roofing and gutters. Like I said you can't be great at all things and I took my company in a different direction than MJW. You gotta pick a couple things and focus on those.


In regards to the tornado work, if you don't need to do it now, wait until the flurry of out of state contractors has died down and the locals are once again looking for work.
Thanks Grumpy.

This job could be done either way. I'll probably be my own "general contractor".

The only time I used a general contractor, some parts of the job were well done while others were just acceptable.

When acting as my own "general contractor", I have a good track record with finding and getting good work from specialized contractors (brick, HVAC, roofing, painting, radon mitigation, electrical, plumbing, etc.).

I can find good roofing, siding and gutter contractors.

Getting independent contractors to integrate their quotes and their work will be new to me. I will have to get them together for a planning session and be on hand when the work is being done.

I think I have the needed coordination and negotiating skills. I used to be a project manager in a manufacturing company. Part of my job was to make sure that all the departments worked together to get my jobs done well, on time and within budget.

Waiting, as you suggest, until the tornado recovery work has died down, will make this project easier to pull off.
 
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