I am putting in a new toilet before I do the flooring. I believe the toilet can come out and then be put back in with the new flooring without buying another seal. My PROBLEM is I bought a 3" and I cannot "feel the seal". I'm thinking I should have bought the 3 1/2 inch size. I can't get the seal off. Does anybody have any ideas on how to remove this? It went on nice and very easily on my brand new toilet. I just need to take it off. :vs_worry:
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there are only 3" and 4" ferncos (with 2 different types of 4"). try a little acetone or solvent? and a little "who's your father" (or mother) with a putty knife. that's where i would start.
just for future reference, I've always just reused wax rings, most the time they stay on the closet flange and I don't have problems. but I've only upgraded a handful of toilets in my lifetime....
just for future reference, I've always just reused wax rings, most the time they stay on the closet flange and I don't have problems. but I've only upgraded a handful of toilets in my lifetime....
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the pipe is 3"
I took the toilet off which was easy. There is no seal. I could smell the sewer gases as I was removing the two washers. The widest part of the flange on top outside to outside is 5 1/4" . The pipe that goes way down there is 3". why doesn't the 3" Fenco seal work? I measured and it hangs 2" below the bottom of the toilet. So for right now I'm not going to remove it. There is another measurement because the flange has an inside measurement that's smaller than the outside edge, but larger than the 3" pipe because it cyclones down into the 3" pipe. What does anyone think?:vs_worry:
I took the toilet off which was easy. There is no seal. I could smell the sewer gases as I was removing the two washers. The widest part of the flange on top outside to outside is 5 1/4" . The pipe that goes way down there is 3". why doesn't the 3" Fenco seal work? I measured and it hangs 2" below the bottom of the toilet. So for right now I'm not going to remove it. There is another measurement because the flange has an inside measurement that's smaller than the outside edge, but larger than the 3" pipe because it cyclones down into the 3" pipe. What does anyone think?:vs_worry:
I went with the Waxless seal on my toilet, while I was remodeling. I ended up just grabbing 3 different sizes for the neighbor's toilet next door, when she had to have the flange replaced for her toilet. It measured right, but the 4" did not work.
The key to getting them to stick to the bottom of the toilet, is to warm up the Porcelain and then place a little bit of weight on the seal to let it stick to the base of the toilet.
The key to getting them to stick to the bottom of the toilet, is to warm up the Porcelain and then place a little bit of weight on the seal to let it stick to the base of the toilet.
Hi, thank you for your correspondence, the seal to the toilet is fine. It's the seal to the floor that doesn't happen. In and out it goes with no tension at all. That's why it was so easy to take the toilet back up to remeasure the diameter of the pipe.
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Then you need the larger one. I had to soap mine up to insert it into the pipe for the toilet.
Thank you Greg. Duh, that makes sense. Had I tried it in the flange I wouldn't now have it stuck to my toilet with no where to go. I called Fenco and the engineer said to take pictures and send it to him which I did promptly and he can't figure it out. lol, I'm just going to use it with a wax rim.
Thank you Ghost. It certainly makes sense I need a bigger one. Although I wonder if the 4" would then be too big. I remeasured and the pipe is 3" in diameter. I would love to cut off the Fenco I now have and replace it with the bigger one because I'm just curious to see if it will work, but that's a lot of work and double the expense if it didn't! Thank you again.
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The inside diameter is 3 inch then a 3 inch one is what you need. The outside diameter of a 3 inch pipe is 3 .5 inches.
Plumbing pipe sizes are based on the inside diameter not the outside to outside diameter.
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Plumbing pipe sizes are based on the inside diameter not the outside to outside diameter.
They work. It is just that if you have Cast Iron, you may have to go the next size up, because over time Cast Iron pipe thins from rusting.
PVC should be no problems. Waxless seals are always a crapshoot, when it comes to going by what the package states and what you are dealing with for the project.
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Could you take a picture of your flange?
I got it!!!!! dang. I put the toilet in the way the old one was installed. They put a washer and a nut on the bolt under the toilet and another washer and nut on top of the hole on top of the toilet. Just by removing that extra washer/nut , it allowed the toilet to lower about a half an inch. just enough to allow the fenco to reach further into the pipe and seal. next time I wont do what the person before me did....lol. now it will pull up and go back down on top of the new floor without having to buy another seal. Fantastic :biggrin2:
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I'm glad for you now enjoy the holiday season.
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