[Yoyizit]

During a bathroom remodel an outlet was moved about two feet past the end of the Romex and there was no plate in the wall where the old outlet was.

Is this splicing with no wall plate showing NEC-legal?

Who makes such a splicing device, if that's what they used?

 

[Scuba_Dave]

I'm not aware of any splice that can be made that is not required to be in a box & accessible

Anyone else?

 

[Bigplanz]

I'm not aware of any splice that can be made that is not required to be in a box & accessible

Anyone else?

Splice boxes for direct buried cable or conductors are not required.

 

[junkcollector]

I seen a romex splice kit that allows 4 conductor 12 or 14 gauge NM cable to be spliced inside the wall. It is manufactured by tyco electronics. I seen them for sale at my local home depot next to the wirenuts for about 7 bucks.

The only place I seen such a connector before was in trailer houses.

I personally wouldn't care to hide one of these in my walls.

 

[Scuba_Dave]

Splice boxes for direct buried cable or conductors are not required.

In a house??

 

[Scuba_Dave]

I seen a romex splice kit that allows 4 conductor 12 or 14 gauge NM cable to be spliced inside the wall. It is manufactured by tyco electronics. I seen them for sale at my local home depot next to the wirenuts for about 7 bucks.

The only place I seen such a connector before was in trailer houses.

I personally wouldn't care to hide one of these in my walls.

The fact that they sell them doesn't mean it meets NEC code
We know it can be done
Question is does any device meet code?

 

[czars]

Stretching romex

There appears to be an approved connector/splice for romex (NM-B) that doesn't require the use of a junction box. The connector is: TYCO ELECTRONICS (ALR) CPGI-1116415-2 NON-METALLIC ROMEX CABLE TAP AND SPLICE CONNECTOR. I saw some available at ACE Hardware.

 

[Scuba_Dave]

This discussion was from November 2007
Different opinions, not sure if anything changed under 2008

http://forums.mikeholt.com/archive/index.php/t-92003.html

Now we are back to a 12-2 Tap
They mention a 14-2 tap into 12-2

 

[lofar]

Interesting there. I had always been led to believe that the only acceptable splice/extension had to be in a permenantly accessible junction box.

That said, even if these connectors were approved it would appear as though their usage an applications are not common knowledge and therefore I would not use them except in very severe/unusual circumstances. Anytime you do something that might require you to pull out the code book and reference specific obscure sections you're asking for trouble, at the very least it might be a real pain in the rear to get an inspector or someone to go along with it.

 

[220/221]

You can find a place for an accessible JB.:yes:

Add another recep somewhere. Add a smoke detector...not in the bathroom I guess :laughing:.

Don't bury a box/splice


That being said, I am a trained professional and I have, on occaision, buried a covered jb.

A) I will ONLY do it if it's one cable in and one cable out....simply an extension of the cable.

B)I am confident that, after practicing tens of thousands of times, that I can make a bulletproof connection in said buried box.

I would never ever bury a splice box that, for example, had one cable in and two cables out. Even though I could make a bulletproof splice, someone someday may have to troubleshoot that circuit and they would have to look at my splice to eliminate it as a possible problem.

 

[Bigplanz]

In a house??

No, underground. 300.50 (C) (C) Splices. Direct burial cables shall be permitted to be spliced or tapped without the use of splice boxes, provided they are installed using materials suitable for the application. The taps and splices shall be watertight and protected from mechanical damage. Where cables are shielded, the shielding shall be continuous across the splice or tap.

All splices in a house (I thought, until I read the above posts about this thing they sell at HD) have to be in a box that is accessible.

 

[Scuba_Dave]

and what does that have to do with the OP's post about his bathroom splice ???

 

[Bigplanz]

and what does that have to do with the OP's post about his bathroom splice ???

You asked in an earlier post:

I'm not aware of any splice that can be made that is not required to be in a box & accessible

Anyone else?

You didn't specify that the splice had to be in a house or even a structure. You asked if there are instances where a splice doesn't have to be in a box and accessible. I answered your question.

 

[Scuba_Dave]

We were discussing a specific splice in bathroom

Try to read the thread & follow along

 

[RenoDon]

Ok here's what I came up with. I would never splice a wire in a wall period. But maybe what you could do is pull the wire back from where it was spliced and get under the sink cabinet where you could install a j-box and then from that point go to where you want the new receptical. You could use a surface mounted box to make things easier. Just a thought.

 

[InPhase277]

I would not use the mobile home splices. They look iffy to me. I might however hide a junction box and plate behind the bathroom mirror...

 

[RenoDon]

Yea , that would be better than a bare splice in a wall. Twist the wires really good.

 

[Yoyizit]

After these guys leave I'm going in the attic and look down inside the wall at the splice. If it's flying wirenuts I'm redoing it.

 

[Gigs]

What about the exception for K+T? Can you use that with romex? I.e. Solder/mastic tape/etc I know it's not the best idea in the world, but wouldn't it meet code?

 

[rgsgww]

I think some places allow you to extend knob and tube with romex under certain circumstances.