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Hey guys and gals,

got a very odd dilemma, in my dining room there is a chandelier lamp that is controlled through a dimmer switch(even though it is not a dimmer). There is also a closet with a light switch as well.

The odd circumstance i am having is when the closet light is on(via its own switch), and you turn on the dinning room light, the closet light goes out. Then if you turn the dining room light off,the closet light turns back on.

The closest light switch has zero effect on the dining room light, the dining room light seems to have control over the closet light and dining room light.

Any ideas on a fix. I was thing just replacing the dimmer(once again does not actually dim) with a single pole interrupter. I just dont want to burn my house down:(
 

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Ok let start here how many conductors you did actually see in the switch box ??

I am thinking either it was crossed connection or got a luminaire that hooked up on switch loop so that one of the two.

SVP can you take a photo of it I think you may have the power and luminaires switched around.

Merci,
Marc
 

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gregzoll, so should i just install a single pole?
Before you install the single pole switch do you recall how many wire it came from the old dimmer if just two black conductors with a green conductor that is single pole however if you have two black and one red conductor ( typical ) then you have three way dimmer.

So do you have second switch in the dinning room if so that is a three way switch.

Merci,
Marc
 

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yes there is a second switch in the dining room, so i know it is a 3 way. I will have to poen it back up when i get home. there is no way i can remember. I will post pics when i get there
 

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yes there is a second switch in the dining room, so i know it is a 3 way. I will have to poen it back up when i get home. there is no way i can remember. I will post pics when i get there
That will be fine once you post the photo one of us in the fourm will assit you more on the details there are couple members are electrician so they will know excat answer what ya looking for.

I am in Paris France so I am in differnt time zone so I will able reply much later on the time ( I am useally about 6 hours ahead on timezone wise )

Merci,
Marc
 

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it sounds like someone wired the closet light off one of the 3-ways.
if you could trace the closet wiring back to it's source of power, it's possible you could make the corrections there.

Naturally it's easier to assess a situation thats in front of you, rather than remotely.
Photo's of the wiring from both 3-way switches and the closet switch would be helpful.
 

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Some one has tapped into the closet light circuit incorrectily!
We need to know how the closet light is wired ?
How many switchs are involved,
and pictures of the wiring behind the switchs would help a great deal !
 

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Will you do me a favour ?? take the extra switch off from the closet side but do not disconnect as well just take a photo I think I might see a crossed connection there.

Merci,
Marc
 

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Here are some more pictues. The dimmer you see now is the second switch next to the closet switch. It controls the pot lights in the kitchen and has no issues.

I should make note that the closet light is on the other side of the wall as the dining room dimmer.

I have included an outline. sorry not too good at this
 

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C'est safe for me to say this word which I don't say it very often but you do have issue with connections there is a crossed connection and also one of the connection is hooked up in series with one of the luminaire which that is a major no-no.

How long ago this was wired up due I can tell it look pretty recently.

Do you have any way to get above the ceiling like attic above that room ? or that is between the floor / ceiling level ?

I am not surpise with this due you may have a hidden splice in there somewhere. unless you find the junciton box in attic which I know few peoples are not aware with switch loop set up.

The dimmer in dinning room if that is the only cable then it is three way switch loop and the switch in the dinning room you have power source however I don't see any other conductors beside 14-3 next to it and can you check the luminaire I think there is couple spots you will find funky splices.

Merci,
Marc
 

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Ok, after examining the photos, it seems something is amiss with the dining rm 3-ways.
If you look at the pics, one 3-way has black to common, and other red and black as travelers.
This should be correct. The confusion is at the 3-way dimmer, it is using one black for common (this is good), one red for traveler(this is good), and one white as 2nd traveler.... that is odd since the other 3-way shows no white connected to either traveler screw. To me i think you will find the answer at the dining room light.

Somewhere that white is connected to either a black or red wire.
Pull the dining room light down and photo the wires there. Try to get a good shot so we can see how many wires come into that box, and how they are wired together.

It is also odd that you clearly have 14/3 wire at both the kitchen and closet switches, but there is no white neutral there. They both seem to have power fed from the light box too. Which is the apparent "theme" in your wiring:)
 

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Mizterz- the light in the dining room is a chandelier so it will be a small project to get down but I'll try the closet light first. Also the closet switch has a white it has just been cut so short and is left in the cable housing. I bought this house a month ago so everything seems to be weird. I will try and gets those pics asap.

Marc-there is a junction box above the kitchen switches. I'm going to take the plate off to show you how messey it is. This box is used for the pot lights in the kitchen so there is junctions left and right. Pic coming up
 

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Here is the junction box. As you can see most are labled.

The one that is blank is just a green and blue piece of tape. The rest are labled as followed:

Kit Dim
Kit Recess
Din R
Din 2s "2" or "?"
"Pont" ?

I have no idea what the Pont means. The Din R and Din 2 I believe are the cultprets.

Any input would be great.
 

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Im on my mobile so its hard to tell now. Dint bother removing dining rm lite yet.
We may be able to sort it out here.

Also, pont may be pant for "pantry" or in your case closet
 

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it is very difficult to see where the wires run to and from.
if you could make a diagram of all incoming wires and where they are nutted together, this would be helpful.
it is my theory that either in the J-Box or at the dining room light they tapped into one of the traveler wires to power the closet light.

haha, one of us could have straightened this out in 30min if we were there.

i will continue investigations later;)
 
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