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Hey all,

I wasn't sure if any of you had any soldering tips before I go and attack some plumbing... (My wife will murder me if we don't have water back on in the house...)

I'm mainly concerned about over heating copper. Any tips with that? I'll be using MAP I think (mainly due to 1" copper i'll be working with), unless Propane is safer.

Thanks for any tips/advice!
 

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Experiment with some pieces first on work bench.

Deburr pipe and fittings Clean the pipe and fittings inside and out with emory cloth. Then apply flux inside and out, put pieces together and start heating it up with torch. Touch the solder to fittings, when it starts to melt and draw the solder in, remove torch and make sure the solder is drawn in all around the fitting . Wipe down any excess solder with wet cloth for a nice finish.

Practice a few times and Google some utube videos on it. Then go for it.
 

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Practice on several pieces of the size you will be working with.

Have patience.
 

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What about over-heating when removing a fitting? Just apply bits of heat, and work it off?

There aren't any warning signs when it comes to over heating, are there?
Yes there are. It will start to turn black.
When you get to that point it almost seems like the fitting is sticking to the pipe even though it's hot enough to melt solder.
Keep most of heat on the fitting. This will expand the fitting more than the pipe, helps separate the two.
 

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Clean.....pipe has to be clean. I typically scrub the pipe with 120 grit sandpaper....and then follow up with the standard pipe wire brush.

Debur.....the pipe cutter will create a lip on the inside of the pipe. Debur it. If you don't, you will get a lot more water noise and you create erosion of the joint which can lead to a leak.

Test Fit....fittings should be snug but not tight....or too loose.

Clean again....

Flux.....liberal application of flux.

Gas....use Mapp gas....yellow can (not the blue can). It's a bit hotter.

Heat......touch the solder to the part as you heat it. If the tip of the solder does not melt immediately, it's not hot enough. You will know when it is hot enough...solder will turn to liquid and get sucked up into the joint. You don't want so much solder so that it puddles, but should suck up into the joint.



When done right, you will see a silver ring on the inside that indicates the whole joint is flodded with solder.



Wipe with wet cloth.....this does several things. It sets the joint....it cools it off so you can handle it....and it cleans the excess solder and flux off.
 

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points made in the thread, but for the most part it's good. :wink2:
It's ok E.....I can take the criticism..

Maybe it's not exactly how a professional would do it....but, it's worked for me

I'd rather the OP hear correct info than 'marginal' info....regardless of who's feelings get hurt.
 

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It's ok E.....I can take the criticism..

Maybe it's not exactly how a professional would do it....but, it's worked for me

I'd rather the OP hear correct info than 'marginal' info....regardless of who's feelings get hurt.
Hey, I don't have an issue with what you posted :vs_no_no_no: I just remembered that old thread from way back.

Well, one little issue- ya just need an evenly applied film covering of flux. If it goobers up on the outside as you fit the pipe, then there's too much...:wink2:
Solder follows flux. So, if the flux melts and runs down the pipe or fitting, so will the solder and that makes for an ugly joint
 

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I 'kinda' agree on the flux points......kinda

Part of the problem is one's opinion of what is 'liberal'.

Second issue is the new batch of water based flux being offered at the big box stores boils off well before you apply the solder....hence, no flux to follow.

I was suggesting 'liberal' because most people tend to apply too much heat and not clean joints well enough. More flux will tend to compensate. Not the total solution...but helps
 

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I hired a plumber who I think was drunk when he showed up at my house (6PM) and blabbed all his secrets to me. But, man I learned more than I think I could've from a book.

Here's a summary, then I'll follow up with the details/explanations of each step.

General tips

1.) Debur all cuts
2.) Do not touch any copper part you've sanded until after you solder.
3.) Minimize the number of solders you do in location. That is, do as much pipe and soldering as you can at the workbench then put in place.
4.) Sand or wire brush both the pipe & fittings and 1/4" - 1/2" more on the pipe.
5.) Try to avoid doing half a joint, then later reheating and trying to solder the other half. This contradicts rule #3. I've had far more success doing half a joint at the workbench, putting it in place and doing the other half than putting it in place and doing both sides at location so I recommend breaking this rule if at your bench.
6.) Solder flows from cold to hot. Go side to side, and around as much as you can with flame but heat mostly the middle of the fitting. Apply the solder to the coldest side (the side you hit the least with the flame) it will suck it to the hot side since it flows towards the hottest, and be sucked to the middle of the joint since that's hottest too.

Application

1.) Sand the pipe & fitting, and the pipe needs 1/4" - 1/2" more than will go into the pipe.

2.) Apply a coating of flux, don't over do it. Make sure you also go a little past the fitting.

3.) Apply the flame back & forth to the fitting but mostly the middle of the fitting. You know when it's ready when the flame turns a solid green when near the end of the fitting. Don't overdo the flame or you'll burn away the flux... hit it as soon as it will allow (which is usually a few seconds after the flame turns green).

4.) Apply solder to the cold side of the joint (the part you hit least with the flame) and go around the edge to make sure it goes in. They say 1/2" solder for 1/2" pipe. Using surface area that would mean 1" of solder for 3/4" pipe and 1 3/4" solder for 1" pipe.

5.) Let the pipe cool without touching it with a wet cloth.

6.) Follow up by cleaning the joint with a wet cloth when it's cooled a little.

More detail

1.) Others have discussed the benefits of debur.
2.) The reason you don't touch any part of the copper pipe you sanded/cleaned until after soldering is the oils in your skin can interfere and cause the joint to fail.
3.) You need to clean 1/4" - 1/2" past the fitting and flux it as I have a round wire brush thing from the big box stores that's 3/4" deep for a 3/4" fitting (and sealed at one end so I can't slide it more onto the pipe). I've used this enough times it just cleans where the fitting goes and nothing more and when I go to solder, the solder hits unclean pipe (doesn't matter if fluxed) and bounces off it like oil & water instead of melting and being sucked in. I would rate not cleaning/sanding 1/4" - 1/2" beyond the fitting (if it's a 1/2" fitting I sand 3/4") and putting some flux on the part beyond the fitting as the #1 reason for my failures.
4.) Flux is bad stuff, that's why you don't want to gob it.
5.) Solder flows towards the hottest part, that's why you want to mostly
heat the middle of the fitting and apply the solder to the cold side of the fitting when ready.
6.) Let the pipe cool naturally because metals expand/contract at different rates and throwing a cold towel on the hot copper fitting, the copper will shrink at a much different rate than the solder and you may ruin/crack the solder/joint doing that causing a failure. You do need to wipe it afterward as flux is bad stuff and you'll usually start to see green deterioration if you leave it but I'm not of the school that hitting it with a cold towel immediately, knowing metals expand/contract at different rates and shocking the joint can possibly be good for it.

Good luck!
 
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