[Ineedhelp2009]

My tile floor in shower is leaking through to crawlspace. Also about 1' into flooring outisde shower is leaking and the grout is all broken up. Just noticed since I moved the rug.
THere is black fury mold on the plywood that is outside the shower. Will replace that so all that tile in that area will come up but....

I went to HD looking for the tile the guy said discotinued years ago! how would you approach the flooring.

 

[jaros bros.]

Replacing the tile is not going to fix your problem. You need to gut it and install a shower pan and liner and then reinstall new tile. I assume you know this already and are working in that direction.

Trying to match the existing tile is probably not going to happen, especially since it was discontinued. Tiles has batch numbers and the tile can even vary enough batch to batch to not match.

 

[Ineedhelp2009]

Replacing the tile is not going to fix your problem. You need to gut it and install a shower pan and liner and then reinstall new tile. I assume you know this already and are working in that direction.

Trying to match the existing tile is probably not going to happen, especially since it was discontinued. Tiles has batch numbers and the tile can even vary enough batch to batch to not match.

Thanks for the input let me ask.... I started removing the grout today along the outer edge inside the shower. Once i was actually that close, now i see the grout is all cracked up. The plywood beneath the shower is fine. ONly moldy outside the shower.....

What started this I jacked my house up about 4 months ago. THe grout just cracked in the corners and some sides ( I think this is what caused it... has not leaked previous 7 years) I am wondering if i can just get away with replacing tile/plywood outside of the shower and just re grouting the whole shower? What do you think?

 

[jaros bros.]

A shower should never rely upon the grout or tile to mitigate the spread of moisture. That's the job of a membrane and shower pan. Moisture will travel right through the grout and continue to do damage.

 

[Ineedhelp2009]

A shower should never rely upon the grout or tile to mitigate the spread of moisture. That's the job of a membrane and shower pan. Moisture will travel right through the grout and continue to do damage.

Gotcha... I knew that air hammer i bought 5 years ago would come in handy

I will do that, now why would it all the sudden give? Normal?

 

[Ineedhelp2009]

look bad?

I think will also tear a foot or so up....

 

[Nia]

I would definitely install a shower pan liner to protect against moisture and mildew. As far as the tile goes, you can buy some mosaic tile for the bottom to compliment what your have if you don't want to change all the tiles.

 

[jaros bros.]

It was probably never done right from the beginning. It sometimes will hold up for a few years, all the while the plywood, studs, and insulation were getting damp. After several years of this it just disintegrates. You are sure to find some surprises after you open things up.

Don't just do the floor, the walls need to have a membrane on them as well. In fact, some of the moisture might be coming from the walls as well. The only real expense is going to be your labor as the materials will be fairly inexpensive for that small shower.

 

[Ineedhelp2009]

I would definitely install a shower pan liner to protect against moisture and mildew. As far as the tile goes, you can buy some mosaic tile for the bottom to compliment what your have if you don't want to change all the tiles.

liner doing.... for sure

well the floor in shower i am fine with changing... but it's the floor right outside the shower that i am worred about.... the wood beneath has to come out.... all the walls are different tile which i cannot find.

will take another picture maybe get some tile suggestions

 

[Ineedhelp2009]

It was probably never done right from the beginning. It sometimes will hold up for a few years, all the while the plywood, studs, and insulation were getting damp. After several years of this it just disintegrates. You are sure to find some surprises after you open things up.

Don't just do the floor, the walls need to have a membrane on them as well. In fact, some of the moisture might be coming from the walls as well. The only real expense is going to be your labor as the materials will be fairly inexpensive for that small shower.

Agreed with not doing right....i pulled cover off temp guage and the gfi is right next to all the water lines....... water runs/drips down the electrical wires :thumbup:

9' ceilings how far up? Also to the right of my foot is a seat about 1.5' deep tear it out?

 

[Bud Cline]

That shower has been leaking since day-one. Wait till you see what it looks like under the shower floor.

 

[Ineedhelp2009]

3 different tiles in bath and all 3 seem to be disco... SEE the 6 -12x12's in front of shower.. that plywood below is rotten... how would you handle that tile? the I found alot of 1/3's of the tile that goes on the floor....but cannot really figure a design to go with bath

 

[Ineedhelp2009]

liner doing.... for sure

well the floor in shower i am fine with changing... but it's the floor right outside the shower that i am worred about.... the wood beneath has to come out.... all the walls are different tile which i cannot find.

will take another picture maybe get some tile suggestions

That shower has been leaking since day-one. Wait till you see what it looks like under the shower floor.

bet your right....joy!

 

[Nia]

liner doing.... for sure

well the floor in shower i am fine with changing... but it's the floor right outside the shower that i am worred about.... the wood beneath has to come out.... all the walls are different tile which i cannot find.

I think you should take up the floor, tear out the shower and start over. That way you know it's done right versus trying to patch here and there. Remove the floor, install new plywood where needed, add hardibacker and then install your floor. I would also use hardibacker in the shower area too.

Like OP already mentioned the materials are not expensive and its worth your time to correct the problems now and you won't have to worry about tearing something up again because your still having leaks. You'll also have an updated look for your bathroom with matching tiles.

 

[Ineedhelp2009]

well just started on the shower floor. There is about 3/4" white mortar... then about 1.5" brown cement type material then THERE IS A LINER....

Seems to be done right.....what do you think?

 

[jaros bros.]

Again, the leak could be up much higher and running down the walls behind the shower pan. There could also be a small perforation in the liner. My guess is that all you have is a pan and no liner on the walls.

 

[Ineedhelp2009]

Again, the leak could be up much higher and running down the walls behind the shower pan. There could also be a small perforation in the liner. My guess is that all you have is a pan and no liner on the walls.

Only gets worse.... the liner is only 4" up... how far should i go when i re-do

several 2x4's were water logged, and there is a boat load of mold... especially under the tile in seat it was gooey white mixed with mold almost like sheetrock mud.

Any good articles on building up my shower floor? Why 2 different mortars?

Thanks

 

[Bud Cline]

The new liner should rise a minimum of three inches above the top of the dam.

The "gooey" could be mastic tile-adhesive which shouldn't be there at all.

We can furnish you with a good diagram of how it should bone. First get all the old out so things can begin to dry and you can do a further inspection.

I would also suggest you douse the entire structure that has been wet and moldy with a product called Microban.

 

[Ineedhelp2009]

The new liner should rise a minimum of three inches above the top of the dam.

The "gooey" could be mastic tile-adhesive which shouldn't be there at all.

We can furnish you with a good diagram of how it should bone. First get all the old out so things can begin to dry and you can do a further inspection.

I would also suggest you douse the entire structure that has been wet and moldy with a product called Microban.

So the liner was done properly the first time?see pic? After tearing the whole seat down. There was TWO layers of tile on the top. Wonder if previous owner tried to bandaid a leak....The seat had the most mold on it.

Will continue to tear down and break away 1' up the wall update with pictures and get suggestions... Thanks

This is a first time for me ..

 

[Bud Cline]

So the liner was done properly the first time?

As far as the height requirement, maybe. But, how were the corners done? Where were all the nails placed? How was the liner clamped to the floor drain?