What are you trying to do first? Build another floor inside of it? Lock it together?
Shed balloon framing
I'm thinking of using Ledger LOKs to fasten the loft 2x6 floor joists to the 2x4 studs in a balloon framed shed, and not worry about installing a let-in ribbon to hold up the joists. Having to notch all the joists for the ribbon is a pain; I'll be happy to spend a little more money and avoid it. I have to think that four Ledger LOKs per joists will be more than strong enough (joists are 8' long, 16"OC).
Here's my rationalization: These fasteners are designed to hold up ledger boards on 40 psf decks. These ledger boards, in turn, hold up joists. Using the Ledger LOKs to directly hold up joists doesn't seem any more taxing on the fasteners.
Reasonable idea? Bad idea?
Here's my rationalization: These fasteners are designed to hold up ledger boards on 40 psf decks. These ledger boards, in turn, hold up joists. Using the Ledger LOKs to directly hold up joists doesn't seem any more taxing on the fasteners.
Reasonable idea? Bad idea?
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Ayuh,.... Why not just build it as they were built durin' the balloon framin' days,....
In my ole balloon framed houses, the ribbon board is spiked into the studs, the floor joists are then run from sheathin' to sheathin', 'n spiked into the studs, 'n the ribbon,....
No brackets needed, 'n no inlettin' necessary,...
In my ole balloon framed houses, the ribbon board is spiked into the studs, the floor joists are then run from sheathin' to sheathin', 'n spiked into the studs, 'n the ribbon,....
No brackets needed, 'n no inlettin' necessary,...
Because I'm just not comfortable holding up floor joists with 10d and 16d nails...even if you have a good number of them...at the ribbon-to-stud and the joist-to-stud connections.In my ole balloon framed houses, the ribbon board is spiked into the studs, the floor joists are then run from sheathin' to sheathin', 'n spiked into the studs, 'n the ribbon,....
Ayuh,.... Then use lag bolts,....
Or put a sister stud under the floor joist ends,....
Btw,.... My houses are well over 100 years old, 'n still standin', quite solidly,....
Or put a sister stud under the floor joist ends,....
Btw,.... My houses are well over 100 years old, 'n still standin', quite solidly,....
I have no doubt. There's a cat across the street from me. Looks like he's been on this earth a good 8+ years. I see him regularly cross our busy street, and quite slowly I must add. I cringe every time. But he's been doing it for many years. Does he know what he's doing, or is he just very lucky? Who am I to say? I just know I don't let my cat out front.Btw,.... My houses are well over 100 years old, 'n still standin', quite solidly,....
Ayuh,.... Whatever,.... I thought you came to this forum for Ideas,....I have no doubt. There's a cat across the street from me. Looks like he's been on this earth a good 8+ years. I see him regularly cross our busy street, and quite slowly I must add. I cringe every time. But he's been doing it for many years. Does he know what he's doing, or is he just very lucky? Who am I to say? I just know I don't let my cat out front.
But if ya just came here to validate yer idea....
I guess if ya wait long enough, somebody will give ya the answer you Want,....
Good bye,.....
Buddy, I didn't mean to tick you off. I'm not putting your approach down, but I am saying I wouldn't personally trust it. You took the time to give me your ideas, and believe me, I appreciate it. Short-sistering the studs is a structurally solid idea IMO, but I can't bear to kill trees to save myself a few hours of notching, not to mention all that added cost.Ayuh,.... Whatever,.... I thought you came to this forum for Ideas,....
But if ya just came here to validate yer idea....
I guess if ya wait long enough, somebody will give ya the answer you Want,....
Good bye,.....
Anyway, again. Sorry. I do appreciate your input
I highly doubt that you would be able to get any inspector to sign off on that construction.
There is a huge reason why Balloon framing is no longer used. Especially with today's building materials being so cheap.
But also the consideration that the structure has to be able to withstand any type of condition that may place stress on the building, that could cause it to fail.
Build it as a conventional stick build.
There is a huge reason why Balloon framing is no longer used. Especially with today's building materials being so cheap.
But also the consideration that the structure has to be able to withstand any type of condition that may place stress on the building, that could cause it to fail.
Build it as a conventional stick build.
I doubt that any answer that will be given, would be good enough for the OP.Ayuh,.... Whatever,.... I thought you came to this forum for Ideas,....
But if ya just came here to validate yer idea....
I guess if ya wait long enough, somebody will give ya the answer you Want,....
Good bye,.....
Man, what a way to start the week.I doubt that any answer that will be given, would be good enough for the OP.
1. Balloon framing is still covered in the IRC...at least it was last time I checked. While a local jurisdiction can of course be more restrictive and prohibit it, I think it's a bit alarmist to claim that it's an unsafe or inferior building practice.
2. Balloon framing is stick construction.
3. I'm not asking for advice on whether I should use platform or balloon framing.
4. I am asking whether use of Ledger LOKs to fasten the joists to the studs seems like an acceptable alternative to installing a ribbon.
Maybe Tuesday will be kinder.
Ayuh,.... A glorified lag bolt,..??..??4. I am asking whether use of Ledger LOKs to fasten the joists to the studs seems like an acceptable alternative to installing a ribbon.
Go for it, but I'd still put a ribbon board under 'em lagged to the studs,...
Glorified indeed. No pilot hole, and higher shear strength...and a good bit more moneyAyuh,.... A glorified lag bolt,..??..??
Go for it, but I'd still put a ribbon board under 'em lagged to the studs,...
Good point. I could still face nail a ribbon board (not let-in) for added peace of mind.
I would just nail it. Think about it, Simpson brackets are nailed in shear, just like you would do with your ribbon and joist.
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