Shed AC/Heat

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Ohno59

Discussion Starter · Dec 30, 2012

I have a 10x12 shed, 9ft high ceiling. Approximately 120sq. feet.

It is un-insulated for the most part, but I have insulation and caulking around the thin metal eaves around the top, since they were always thin and drafty. Doors are weather sealed with stripping, No drafts at all now. I don't plan on insulating it much because I can't put drywall up. It's already surface wired with electric, and I use the spaces in between the 2x4's for long length items storage. Has blinds for the summer, and part shaded. Also has vinyl flooring and carpeting.

I had a ghetto rigged 5200 btu unit last year and it cooled the place down a decent amount about 20*F. It had a box built around the back with an exhaust hose out the window. But that was a garbage picked unit that I gave up on repairing every day....it had compressor issues.

Window units are out since my mini windows are only 15" wide. Nor do I want a huge hole in the wall, because it will be pure hell to find an exact replacement if a through wall one fails.

I'm looking for a decent heater/air conditioner combo for the place. Either a decently priced DIY mini split or a portable unit. Are the heat pumps in AC units better for heating? More efficient and powerful? I have a hard time beleiving a 900w consumption unit with a heat pump will warm up 300sq feet, when a 1,500w ceramic or element space heater can barely warm up 90sq feet.

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bobinphx

· #2 · Dec 30, 2012

10 by 10 wood shed with a 6200 btu window ac keeps the place very very cool in the summer and it even cycles on the hotest days. The shed is insulated with r13, walls roof and floor. As well as super sealed with caulk on each wall stud and all openings (yes its was a lot of caulk!!). an 8 pane french door and a 4 by 6 single pane window and a 2 foot by 5 foot single pane arched window. These do let the heat in, but I use heavy shades on the inside with white linings. I did modify the ac unit with a 10 inch shelf between the supply and the return. I think that it really helped the air move in the shed and helps to keep the cold air from the units return vents, this no super cooling of the air.

I heat it in the winter with a 1200 watt ceramic heater that will drive you out of there.

I control it all with a johnson controles a419 thermostate relay system.

beenthere

· #3 · Dec 30, 2012

A 900 watt heat pump can output over 9,000 BTUs of heat(depending on outdoor temp), where your 1500 watt ceramic heater will only output 5,100+/- BTUs.

You should at least insulate the ceiling, your losing a lot of heat through it. If the ceiling is 50 degrees warmer then the outdoor temp, your losing 6,000 BTUs of heat an hour through it.

If you want to use the cavities between the 2X4s for storage. You can still use bubble wrap as an insulation inside the cavities, its only 1/4" thick, but will help a lot in winter and summer.

Ohno59

Discussion Starter · #4 · Dec 30, 2012

If I use faced R13 on the ceiling, and some areas of the non-storage use walls, is this okay to leave exposed without dry walling it? Since the shed is already surface wired, drywalling would be impossible. Nor did I want drywall because of the reduced storage space.

http://www.homedepot.com/Building-M...Id=10053&langId=-1&storeId=10051#.UOCk729ZXoI

beenthere

· #5 · Dec 30, 2012

It will help a lot. No harm leaving it exposed.

jagans

· #6 · Dec 30, 2012

WHy dont you cut in foil faced isocyanurate foam rigid board insulation between the studs? 1.5 will give you about R10

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handyman_20772

· #7 · Dec 31, 2012

seansy59 said:
If I use faced R13 on the ceiling, and some areas of the non-storage use walls, is this okay to leave exposed without dry walling it? Since the shed is already surface wired, drywalling would be impossible. Nor did I want drywall because of the reduced storage space.

http://www.homedepot.com/Building-M...Id=10053&langId=-1&storeId=10051#.UOCk729ZXoI

If using faced insulation it must be covered with drywall or paneling, the facing itself is flammable. Use un-faced or rigid foam board like (ISO) with the foil facing.

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joecaption

· #8 · Jan 1, 2013

Silly trying to heat and cool an uninsolated bulding.
Foam or faced insulation will both have warnings to not leave exposed.

Ohno59

Discussion Starter · #9 · Jan 1, 2013

Well.....covering the walls is not an option...

Whether I choose fiberglass or foam insulation..

Which one is preferred/cheaper?
The only reason I was going with faced insulation is because I don't want fiberglass fibers flying around in the air.

Ohno59

Discussion Starter · #10 · Jan 2, 2013

Anyone? An insulation that doesn't have to be covered?

I wouldn't be able to get drywall anyway, I only have a car.......I'm poor, barely have $175 put aside for the insulation :laughing:

I'm even getting the 9000 btu portable AC from a thrift shop for $60.....

mterry

· #11 · Jan 2, 2013

jagans said:
WHy dont you cut in foil faced isocyanurate foam rigid board insulation between the studs? 1.5 will give you about R10

This sounds good

Missouri Bound

· #12 · Jan 2, 2013

Polyiso would be the way to go. But the pole barn industry uses a insulation board which appears to have a rigid fiberglass covering.:whistling2:

OregonJim

· #13 · Jan 23, 2022

Ohno59 said:
Anyone? An insulation that doesn't have to be covered?

I wouldn't be able to get drywall anyway, I only have a car.......I'm poor, barely have $175 put aside for the insulation 😆

I'm even getting the 9000 btu portable AC from a thrift shop for $60.....

That bubble wrap insulation with the mylar reflective radiant barrier, is fairly cheap, and the radiant barrier will help in summer, the vapor barrier, might help by cutting down wind from outside, just my 2¢

OregonJim

· #14 · Jan 23, 2022

On second thought, it seems to be of little (R) value,

Why is "reflective insulation" still being sold by HD and Lowes - and used by many contractors? - GreenBuildingAdvisor

I stopped by my local HD for more supplies and was surprised to see rolls of "radiant barrier" bubble wrap on the shelf. Lowes and online vendors sell products with similar claims. For example, here are the benefits promised by a leading vendor: "An easy-to-install double reflective, double...

www.greenbuildingadvisor.com

user_12345a

· #15 · Jan 23, 2022

OregonJim said:
On second thought, it seems to be of little (R) value,

Why is "reflective insulation" still being sold by HD and Lowes - and used by many contractors? - GreenBuildingAdvisor

I stopped by my local HD for more supplies and was surprised to see rolls of "radiant barrier" bubble wrap on the shelf. Lowes and online vendors sell products with similar claims. For example, here are the benefits promised by a leading vendor: "An easy-to-install double reflective, double...

www.greenbuildingadvisor.com

Almost 10 year old thread, please check dates before posting.

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roughneck

· #16 · Jan 23, 2022

user_12345a said:
Almost 10 year old thread, please check dates before posting.

Yup, and the poster that guy quoted hasn’t been seen in the same amount of time either.

OregonJim

· #17 · Jan 23, 2022

user_12345a said:
Almost 10 year old thread, please check dates before posting.

It was new to me, because I'm new here. Information that helps can often be useful years later, or is the a group rule on aging out posts?

supers05

· #18 · Jan 24, 2022 (Edited)

OregonJim said:
It was new to me, because I'm new here. Information that helps can often be useful years later, or is the a group rule on aging out posts?

Generally you start a new thread if you need help yourself. Without the original poster (OP) answering questions, and further help may not be applicable or has been over come by events. Either way it clutters up our update feeds with a thread we really can't help with. Welcome to the forums, there will be plenty of people to help.

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roughneck

· #19 · Jan 24, 2022

Waking up old threads is more of a blog style format.
This is more of a standard forum, where threads that are brought back become confusing or hard to follow, because original posters no longer participate, for one reason or another.

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OregonJim

· #20 · Jan 26, 2022

Okay thanks, this is all new rules for an old brain. Seems like if it is inactive for "too long" maybe there is a filter to remove it from searches? I dunno

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