[jlmran]

Rural (farm) location. The current service disconnect resides immediately below the meter box on a pole. It is the plan to upgrade the service capacity to 125 amps.

Must the service disconnect reside immediately after (below) the meter?

 

[jbfan]

It can be put on the house/shed/or what ever you are powering.

 

[jlmran]

From the existing service disconnect on the pole, overhead feeders go to a house, a barn, and a well pump. A new detached garage/shop is being built, and the plan is to remove the old DC and place a new service DC in the new panel, inside the new garage/shop. The new garage/shop is located very near the pole. Any problems with this plan?

 

[k_buz]

Are the existing feeders being moved to the new shop as well?

 

[jlmran]

Yes, and each feeder will have its own circuit breaker.

They won't be really moved...but their point of origination will be extended into the panel.

 

[k_buz]

I can't see a problem with what you want to do either. I don't know if your location (farm) will require a permit, but you will want to be down at least 3' as I assume the feeders will be under an area that is drivable.

My personal opinion is that if the existing pole is staying, I would keep a panel at that pole, that way, the underground feeders are protected.

 

[jlmran]

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[jlmran]

Our Permits and inspections are nothing more than money exchanges, and they are required.

All feeders are overhead. So my plan was to extend the service into the new panel through pipe, then feed back out to the pole through the pipe. The pole will still require some type of junction box for the feeder splices, since everything on the existing pole will remain (except service disconnect).

 

[AllanJ]

I don't know the exact requirements but I believe that the requirements for the service entrance conductors or cable are different upstream of the disconnect compared with downstream. So by moving the service disconnect location from the pole to a building, you may need to run different kinds or sizes of conductors overhead or underground.

There is no overcurrent protection other than (probably) the pole transformer primary fuse for the wiring including the service conductors upstream of your service disconnect.

No changes would be needed for the overhead lines from the yard pole to the other buildings, now fed from a breaker in the main building's panel.

Must the service disconnect reside immediately after (below) the meter?

Here, no, but the reason this question pops up is that, in a typical home installation with the meter on an outside wall and the panel on an inside wall (in the basement?), there is a limit to the length of the pre-disconnect service cable in the house (again, no overcurrent protection other than back at the pole transformer) connecting the two.

 

[k_buz]

Our Permits and inspections are nothing more than money exchanges, and they are required.

All feeders are overhead. So my plan was to extend the service into the new panel through pipe, then feed back out to the pole through the pipe. The pole will still require some type of junction box for the feeder splices, since everything on the existing pole will remain (except service disconnect).

I will look it up, but I'm not sure you can run unfused and fused feeders in the same raceway.

 

[k_buz]

After thinking this through, I wouldn't do what you are planning. You are adding unnecessary cost, extra splices, and unfused feeders. If you are going to have a JBox on the pole anyway, I think I would install a 3R panel on that pole.

What size is the service going to be? Single or 3 phase?

 

[jlmran]

I will look it up, but I'm not sure you can run unfused and fused feeders in the same raceway.

Perfect...thanks.

 

[frenchelectrican]

I will look it up, but I'm not sure you can run unfused and fused feeders in the same raceway.

It used to be legit before not anymore only exsting installment can stay but anytime the service will be upgraded then the fused and unfused conductors have to be seperated.

The other issue what I heard that many POCO is getting strict with their pole they don't really want anything on it beside the meter that it.

k_buz., Just look up your POCO regulation book on farmstead set up they will mention that.

Merci,
Marc

 

[jlmran]

After thinking this through, I wouldn't do what you are planning. You are adding unnecessary cost, extra splices, and unfused feeders. If you are going to have a JBox on the pole anyway, I think I would install a 3R panel on that pole.

What size is the service going to be? Single or 3 phase?

125 amp single phase.

I agree that if a jbox on the pole is needed anyway, why not make it a panel? Thanks.

 

[k_buz]

125A for a house, a barn, well pump, and a new shop? Seems awful small.

 

[jlmran]

Yep. Welcome to the farm. It's not Gangnam Style...it's old style.

The current service is 60 amps. Grandpa and Grandma are very good at orchestrating their various activities to prevent overloading. The new 125 should provide some relief with the use of electric heaters.

 

[AllanJ]

Electric heaters make the 125 amp service seem smaller than awfully small.

Better do a load analysis, using the specific guidelines in the National Electric Code.

In addition, your town may require that a service large enough to accommodate the results of your load analysis. Promising not to overload (orchestrating your various activities) does not grant you a variance or exception to the code.

Built in (hard wired) electric heaters must be included in your load calculations.

 

[jlmran]

Electric heaters make the 125 amp service seem smaller than awfully small.

Better do a load analysis, using the specific guidelines in the National Electric Code.

In addition, your town may require that a service large enough to accommodate the results of your load analysis. Promising not to overload (orchestrating your various activities) does not grant you a variance or exception to the code.

Built in (hard wired) electric heaters must be included in your load calculations.

1800 watt portable heaters to supplement the Wood stove.

Town? What town? POCO is a REC. And, the 125 amp service might be (not sure yet) a function of what is made available by the REC.

The only code enforcement is self-governance.