[cshort1981]

Good Afternoon, I purchased a home a few years ago with a large deck attached. I came to find that the deck was installed by the previous owners, and was not to code. It was rotting and leaning, footings were falling apart, wood was not treated, and the biggest issue... there was no flashing or water proofing between the deck and the house. I pulled the deck down myself, and I am working to get the siding replaced, but there is some rot that I'm not sure how to handle. any direction would be great before I start tearing it apart. and replacing stuff. Thanks!

 

[Nealtw]

Take this piece off for a better look.
Do you know how to open the siding so you can remove the bottom piece.

 

[cshort1981]

I don't know how, but I assume there is a tool of some kind. I'm sure I can find a video on you tube with directions.

You think I should pull off the bottom two sections of siding?
And what about the rotten plywood? It can't be supporting anything. Should I pull off that as well to get to the framing?

 

[cshort1981]

I don't know how, but I assume there is a tool of some kind. I'm sure I can find a video on you tube with directions.

You think I should pull off the bottom two sections of siding?
And what about the rotten plywood? It can't be supporting anything. Should I pull off that as well to get to the framing?

Found a nice video,

I'll take a look tonight and see if I can pull off a couple of rows.

let me know what you think I should pull off please.

 

[Nealtw]

Found a nice video, https://youtu.be/lzhSsmWnHfw

I'll take a look tonight and see if I can pull off a couple of rows.

let me know what you think I should pull off please.

You can remove to OSB type rim joist so we cn look at the floor joists.
You can remove some siding to hopefully see how high the rot goes.
I am concerned that we don't see any house wrap sticking out anywhere.

house wrap protects the house from water, siding protects the house wrap from sun and wind.

Is your basement ceiling finished or open for inspection.

 

[cshort1981]

You can remove to OSB type rim joist so we cn look at the floor joists.
You can remove some siding to hopefully see how high the rot goes.
I am concerned that we don't see any house wrap sticking out anywhere.

house wrap protects the house from water, siding protects the house wrap from sun and wind.

Is your basement ceiling finished or open for inspection.

The basement is finished completely. can't see any part of the framing on that side of the house unfortunately.

Perhaps these pictures will help? I think there is some tar paper stuff sticking out but most of it crumbled off. I'm not sure if there is something better like Tyvec, but I don't see anything. On the very right side of the house there is something silver under the siding. I'll have to wait till I get home to investigate more. been working on breaking up the footings and removing the stumps while I waiting for a siding company to come out, but I don't have high hopes after our meeting this morning, so I may just try to fix all this myself.

 

[Nealtw]

You want remove what they are calling the header so you can inspect the ends of the joists that are sticking out from the house.

Tar paper instead of house wrap would be fine.
Poke at that OSB type rim joist everywhere with a screw driver and see if it is all soft from water damage.

We can talk about the door later.

 

[cshort1981]

You want remove what they are calling the header so you can inspect the ends of the joists that are sticking out from the house.

Thanks for the image and explanation, that helps a great deal.

 

[cshort1981]

You want remove what they are calling the header so you can inspect the ends of the joists that are sticking out from the house.

Tar paper instead of house wrap would be fine.
Poke at that OSB type rim joist everywhere with a screw driver and see if it is all soft from water damage.

We can talk about the door later.

The wood i-beams are rotten on the outer edges, and about 2 inches of the outside floor board, but the framing and the center of the floor boards seem 99% ok. I had to stop as I have a little family issue in the evening, but
I think it's not as bad as it seemed on the surface.

I'm thinking that I need to reinforce/replace the outer supports, cut away and replace the rotten the outer plywood. The install new Tyvek, (i cut away a bit of the black tar paper as it was falling apart, but it was there), and then top it with some siding?

 

[Nealtw]

The wood i-beams are rotten on the outer edges, and about 2 inches of the outside floor board, but the framing and the center of the floor boards seem 99% ok. I had to stop as I have a little family issue in the evening, but
I think it's not as bad as it seemed on the surface.

I'm thinking that I need to reinforce/replace the outer supports, cut away and replace the rotten the outer plywood. The install new Tyvek, (i cut away a bit of the black tar paper as it was falling apart, but it was there), and then top it with some siding?

Before we get into the fix, we should be on the same page for your final

result. So just a bunch of stuff that rolls around in my head.

1. We can see LSL rim board absorbs water and some of that water wicks up into structure above it so the lower siding should be removed for inspection for the rest of the exposed area.

If the framing above is in good shape, 4" holes could be cut in the rim so a cameras could be used for inspection of the joists.
I would expect damage under the door to be similar to the bump out and the rim should be removed.

2. Lag bolts have never been a good system for hanging the deck.
There are 3 things they do for bolting the deck all requested by the engineer on our job.

Replace that rim with LVL instead.

Or drill drill thru and use nuts and bolts to attach the ledger.
Or put 2x10 blocks inside the rim so regular lag bolts will work.

You have non of those.

3. If you remove some are all of the rim below the door, that will give you access to do a better repair on the first joist under the bump out.

4. The new deck should be 6" below the floor inside and that would allow you to bolt the new ledger to the concrete.

5. Find a real door shop and make an appointment with them so you can drop you door off in the morning and pick it up in the afternoon with a new jam. You need to understand rainscreening or door pan and how to tie that into the flashing for the new ledger before you install the door jam.

Comment?? I would like to be on the same page with you so we are going in the same direction.

 

[cshort1981]

1: I'll work on getting more of the siding off the side of the house when I get home in a bit.

2&3: I'll look into better Rim Joist options and I'll pull off what's under the door if I can.
Is there something I should be concerned about? ... the door shifting or anything to that nature. Should I try to pull up the plate at the bottom of the door? it's very loose and the previous owner just had a deck board shoved underneath.

4. I'm not replacing the deck with one the same level of the house, I was going to put stairs down to the ground for the moment, and then possible a ground level/low profile floating deck in the future. but the door, the rot, and the house are the priority right now.

5. I was going to replace the entire door with a fiberglass, on frame door assembly as the old door is ugly and messed up. At what point should I worry about that in the repair process?

 

[Nealtw]

1: I'll work on getting more of the siding off the side of the house when I get home in a bit.

2&3: I'll look into better Rim Joist options and I'll pull off what's under the door if I can.
Is there something I should be concerned about? ... the door shifting or anything to that nature. Should I try to pull up the plate at the bottom of the door? it's very loose and the previous owner just had a deck board shoved underneath.

4. I'm not replacing the deck with one the same level of the house, I was going to put stairs down to the ground for the moment, and then possible a ground level/low profile floating deck in the future. but the door, the rot, and the house are the priority right now.

5. I was going to replace the entire door with a fiberglass, on frame door assembly as the old door is ugly and messed up. At what point should I worry about that in the repair process?

Try not to destroy what ever tar paper is there when you remove siding.

Even with out the deck being there, the door was installed by old methods and you can expect to find damage there.

I would order the door and have it on hand when you get into it.

The rim joist can be replaced with the same product, if it all needs to be change we do that in shorter sections so the joist don't collapse to one side.

So with out replacing the deck as was we still have to think about a ledger for a stoop or what ever.