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Hello guys,

I need to do a few upgrades around the house and wanted your input regarding what should be done first so I make this the most efficient, less headache possible remodel.

I am doing the following.

1) Coretec LVP on first floor including kitchen, bathrooms, living room, hallways etc. IMPORTANT: there is 3/4 old hardwood in the kitchen that will be removed.
2) Kitchen cabinets will be painted.
3) Kitchen counter, sink and faucet will be replaced.
4) New appliances (refrigerator, dishwasher, microwave and electric stove)
5) Bathroom toilets, vanities, faucets will be replaced.
IMPORTANT: Vanities will be floating vanities. So floors may need to be installed before vanities or I guess it doesn't matter much.
6) Not sure what to do about the showers. They are the older looking brown shower tub. I am upgrading the Shower set on one bathroom and was thinking maybe hiring a company who specializes in painting showers white? Would that be the cheapest quickest way to upgrade the shower/tub?

That's pretty much what I have in mind for now.
In which order would you do things?

I will hire a floor installer and a carpenter, painter, etc.

Thanks a lot in advance.
 

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idk about bathroom, but the kitchen thing is more about logic.

Step 1. Demo; pull appliances, pull sink, pull countertop, pull cabinets for painting, remove floor. Remove any sheetrock if you're moving outlets/switches/appliances/lights.

Step 2. move any plumbing/electrical, do any repairs to damaged sheetrock from pulling cabinets/lights/etc.

Step 3. Paint. I'd hit the ceiling while you're at it.

Step 4. Reinstall painted wall cabinets, new lighting, outlet covers, etc.

Step 5. Flooring.

Step 6. Reinstall painted base cabinets. -- NOTE: it 'might' save a little money on flooring to install flooring after putting in cabinets, but since your paying someone it might not save you anything on flooring material once you factor in the labor cost of cutting around cabinets. IF however you're doing a floating floor (typically laminate/lux vinyl) then you want to do the base cabinet install first.

Step 7. Appliances.

Step 8. Counter top.

Step 9. Sink & cooktop if you're getting one.

Step 10. Finishing; faucet, crown molding, etc.
 
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I have known too many people who were without the use of the kitchen for anywhere from 6 weeks to more than 6 months and having to eat out adds to the cost of the remodel. It is why I bought everything in advance and my kitchen was down for 5 days from tear out to being able to cook.

With that in mind in your place I would approach it in this general sequence
1) Replace appliances
2) Replace countertops and sink and faucet
3) paint cabinets
4) replace toilets and vanities and faucets
5) replace showers
6) install new flooring

With the showers the least expensive approach is to buy a standard tub with full sides and then add a fiberglass or backerboard and tile to the wall above the tub. While doing this I would replace the mixer valve with a pressure balance cartridge type for the shower before doing the walls. This is also a good time to add blocking for attaching grab bars in the future.

With the flooring I like to have it go 3 inches up on the sides of the wall and the front of the vanity to create a better look at very little cost.

Floating vanities are a current fad and they are OK in a hotel bathroom but in a house one loses 90% of the potential storage space in the bathroom.
 

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Thank you Calson and Mystriss for your input.

I received the floors yesterday and have to pick up the vanities and toilets at lowes. I am still able to choose different vanities if I wanted to, since I too was a little hesitant of the floating vanities. These ones though are 24 inches tall and therefore have some decent cabinet space. I thought they would work in the small bathroom well, and allow me to put the cleaning supplies under them, but I may not have enough height if the water line is not high enough, which I did not consider when buying them.
Also, I got a $250 future rebate for them for buying more than $1000 and buying toilets and what not.
Vanity in question
https://www.lowes.com/pd/allen-roth-Floating-30-in-White-Single-Sink-Bathroom-Vanity-with-Natural-Carrara-Marble-Top/1000507753

By the way are these toilets any good
https://www.lowes.com/pd/KOHLER-Highline-Curve-White-WaterSense-Elongated-Chair-Height-2-Piece-Toilet-12-in-Rough-In-Size/1001097304

Calson,

Are you considering the floors last so they don't get scratched from the work?

Please tell me if this makes sense based on your experiences

1) Replace floating vanities (since old ones need to be removed for flooring installation, plus Lowes are holding them and can't wait too long)

2) Get the new appliances since they are on sale now and still flooring guys will have to move either old or new when the time comes.
I might have to pay double to get the dishwasher connected now and then again to when I get new counters and sink attached.

3) Replace Kitchen countertops, sink and faucet.

4) Install new floors and new toilets will go on top of the floors so they can be installed at the time of floor installation.

2) Paint Kitchen Cabinets (Only doors will be removed, cabinets painted in place) I left this for last just because I want to see the floors installed to make the decision on whether just white or greyish will suit the new tones. I have Grey/beige floors and light grey walls. Also, because I don't have the guy for this job yet and if I will do it myself I rather do it when the weather warms up a bit so I can use the garage, etc.

As for the showers I just had a plumber change the shower valve on the master bathroom. He had to cut the wall and was a super involved job. I may just have to look into tearing out the fiberglass and replacing it with a tub and tiled walls in the near future since this project is getting too expensive. Is the painting of the fiberglass/shower combo a decent option to change the color to white from brown on a budget?

Thanks again and sorry if I am making this too complicated. I am totally new at this and already overwhelmed.

Thanks
 

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Flooring can get damaged and no sense doing it before the other jobs in a room. In my area the smaller the job the more difficult it is to find good contractors and so if I could have a two bathrooms and a kitchen flooring job it will be more attractive.

If are only replacing the countertops then the dishwasher does not have to be removed. If putting in a new one you could delay until after the countertops are done but I would still do so before the new flooring is installed. With a new sink there is only a single connection of the drain line from the dishwasher that needs to be disconnected and reconnected whether it is attached to an air gap or to a garbage disposal. Whoever puts in the sink and faucets will reconnect the drain line as well.

I had a split sink and replaced it with a single open sink to gain about 30% more usable space and so I had the double drain pipes removed entirely and a new black ABS single drain installed instead.

I had a good dishwasher and simply moved it outside and under a tarp until the new cabinets were installed. Pulling out an existing washer onto the subflooring or flooring that is going to be replaced eliminates any worries about the feet tearing or scratching the flooring.

In evaluating improvements for a given room I evaluate how much time I spend in that room and whether it is often out of my sight most of the time. I put the kitchen remodel at the top of my list and the master bath at the bottom. This also helped in that the kitchen remodel took the kitchen out of action for only 1 week but the master bath remodel took nearly 12 weeks from start to finish. A guest bath remodel that entailed a new vanity and sink and new flooring was done in 3 days in total as it was an upgrade of what was in place.

With my kitchen I put the new wall oven in ahead of time and ran new wiring as when the house was built the "electrician" had left no slack in the armour cable going to the oven and I had to cut through it to remove the oven. I also had to build a little 24x24x40 inch table so that I had something to set the oven on while it was part way out of the cabinet. The stand also made it a lot easier to put the new oven into the new cabinets and so it was well worth the effort.

I had everything staged in my garage before starting the kitchen remodel and did the same for the master bath (vanity, sinks, faucets, soaking tub, medicine cabinets, shower plumbing, in-wall carrier and wall mounted toilet bowl.

I would focus on the kitchen and put off the bathroom at this time. It will enable you to better explore your options for the new tub and shower as well as for the vanity.

The pre-made vanities I saw all had feet and this is dumb for a bathroom as it makes cleaning under the vanity necessary and more difficult. They all used 100% of the space below the sinks for a single storage area and this wastes space. The drawer depths were wrong for most of what I want to store in a vanity. And none of them provided for a clothes hamper drawer which is a great way to save floor space and if it goes between a two sinks in the vanity it has minimal impact on what can be stored in the vanity.
 

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Hey Calson,

I am doing what you suggested.

I have the vanities, toilets, flooring, etc sitting in my garage now and I will be talking to the Floor guy about maybe doing the new tub with a tile backsplash to get rid of the fiberglass shower/tub combo I have in there now. I was quoted $700 to paint it white and the floor guy said it can be done for about the same money, but will be an improved look with the tile and new tub.
I will be negotiating a bundle price for all the work as you suggested, so far he is giving me a good price for installing floors at $1600 850sqft and 200sqft of hardwood that needs to be removed, he will supply quarter round in that price too. Then he has a painter who works for him and he quoted me $700 to paint the kitchen cabinets vs others wanting $1600!!

I had a granite guy come and quoted $950 for granite countertops in the kitchen including a single sink. I currently have a 30 inch long double sink as you did, so I believe the new single one will look better and more useful since I usually put dirty dishes immediately in the dishwasher anyways.

Floor guy is suggesting we do the floors last as well. So I need to sort out the budget in the next few days and then this will all start to fall into place pretty quickly. I hope the appliance sales I am seeing are going to still be there, because I don't want to have new appliances sitting in the garage if I were to order them now. (was also thinking maybe used like new appliances?)

Anyways, thank you for your input and let me know what you think of all these plans I have.

Best

Jay
 

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We did our major kitchen remodel (basically gut to the studs and start over) over a couple years - we did all of the work ourselves except cutting/installing the countertop. As long as you keep a working fridge, stove, and nuker it's not /that/ terrible. Plywood counters with plastic tablecloths work alright HA
 
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