4 years ago I painted the exterior cement shingle siding of our house with 2 coats of a light gray Behr Premium plus ultra paint. I power washed and scrubbed with a plastic bristle brush, rinsed, and let dry prior to painting. The initial job looked great. I've done a fair amount of painting in my life, so I know pretty much what I'm doing. This early spring I just began to notice that after only 4 winters the old yellow is starting to shadow through the recent gray topcoat. I've never experience such a short lifespan of paint. On closer inspection, it does not appear to be an adhesion issue, it just seems like this recent paint is wearing away. It is much more prevalent on the sun exposed surfaces. I'm really disappointed that this paint so bad. Has anyone else had this experience with Behr products. I've had no problems with their interior paints.
Real disappointed with Behr Premium Plus Ultra
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" Has anyone else had this experience with Behr products. I've had no problems with their interior paints."
Everyone here loves Behr paint. I painted my storage shed 30 years ago with Behr paint. The shed crumbled, but the paint remains standing. **(High form of sarcasm)**
Everyone here loves Behr paint. I painted my storage shed 30 years ago with Behr paint. The shed crumbled, but the paint remains standing. **(High form of sarcasm)**
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Why do I hate it so much.? From personal experience. Granted it's been years but burned twice, I see no reason to go back as I have never had an issue with B&M or SW. When I bought my house several years back, we got a bunch of Home Depot gift cards as house warming gifts . So off we went to buy paint to repaint the place. The master bedroom was a slight cool white, we wanted a warmer white. Just a white subtle color change. We also painted the remaining bedrooms , one a white the other a mauve, and the hallways. The mauve paint was Dutch Boy (which HD sold back (along with Behr). And this was before color matching, so if you wanted a color from company A, you had to get company A's paint. The mauve paint was going on over a green wall. It cover d beautifully in a single coat and the paint is still on that wall today. The white for the hallway which was a basic Behr white, not tinted went on ok. It all required two coats which was fine, but it took some effort to get a nice finish. The master bedroom with the Behr was another story. Two coats and it still wasn't hiding the prior color and was uneven. I am not a pro but I have done plenty of painting in my life, never before or since have I had an issue covering white with white. After some terse words with HD they eventually gave me the two gallons to do a third coat. The third coat worked, but I spent a lot of time I didn't have at the time and had to rush through the the rest of the house. The other thing I found that the Behr wasn't really washable in any way. Once it got dirty it pretty much stayed that way. That went for the hallways and the bedrooms.
The other experience was deck staining. Behr semi-transparent stain lasted one year. I normally get three years out of deck staining. So application and durability issues are my complaints. The two things a paint needs to do well. The other thing is I need to deal with HD. I am sure in some areas HD may have some great people, but not here. It's a chore to shop.
The other experience was deck staining. Behr semi-transparent stain lasted one year. I normally get three years out of deck staining. So application and durability issues are my complaints. The two things a paint needs to do well. The other thing is I need to deal with HD. I am sure in some areas HD may have some great people, but not here. It's a chore to shop.
? Seriously? You go to a home improvement warehouse that's whole reason for existence is cheap prices and you wonder why the paint is cheap? It's about the worst paint in it's price range you can buy. But hey, they say it's the best on TV so they must be telling the truth right? And the twenty year old that sold it to me said it was the best as well.So why did it fail?
? again, seriously? Try comparing it to something other then Valspar sometime to find the answer to that question.
Dude, don't blow a gasket. I don't buy based on tv ads. As I said in my post, I've used the interior paints with satisfactory results. I'm not a professional so I don't automatically go to a "supply" for DIY projects. I'm not asking for miracles in the paint I use. But I think 4 years on an exterior paint job is pretty poor. Not what I was expecting, and I had no inkling that this paint would be so bad. The price of the paint was not cheap but then again not the most expensive. I'm 60 yrs. old so I normally don't take advice on DIY from 20 yr. olds. Now if you'd like to offer some reasonable critique as to why paying a high price will get me quality all the time, I'll listen. In my years I have bought expensive things that were crap and inexpensive things that were great. But just going off on a rant on Behr paints with no constructive element to your post is not helpful. And if all you want to do is belittle folks and rant against NOT spending a lot of money, feel free to ignore the post. Thank you.
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I will say no more:no:
I currently buy over 200,000 worth of paint a year and to say 1 paint is better than another is still tough for me. There are just too many variables for anybody on this page to give a correct answer. I personally like all the companies that sell paint, and have relationships with all of them. For me I have to use the companies that exclusively sell paint. I have to be in contact with my sales reps everyday.unfortunately some of the others can't provide that. As far as quality, when comparing apples to apples they are all the same. As far as being able to see through the gray, I think more emphasis should be on the colors used when tinting and also what base the color was made in. Each company has something to offer in different situations. BEN Moore uses a gennex coloring system that stands up well against fading.
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Have to strongly disagree with that.
The reason most pro painters dislike Behr paint is this.
The finished product does not look as good as other, easily available, paints
The application is more difficult and time consuming than other, easily available ,paints.
Being able to deliver a professional finish that will please a customer ,efficiently enough to keep labor costs down--that is key---and why other brands are chosen.
The finished product does not look as good as other, easily available, paints
The application is more difficult and time consuming than other, easily available ,paints.
Being able to deliver a professional finish that will please a customer ,efficiently enough to keep labor costs down--that is key---and why other brands are chosen.
That sums it up perfectly.
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So, what percentage of "pro painters" do you figure favor Sherwin Williams over Benjamin Moore or vice versa? Or do they pretty much consider them more or less equivalent and it just depends on familiarity and history of usage with one brand or the other, relationship with staff at a given store, or who's got a more convenient store location? (I know PPG gets mentioned in this Painting forum but I don't think I've ever seen a store around me.)
Also, I bought some Benjamin Moore "Ben" paint this weekend - it was $38 a gallon. What kind of discount do painting contractors get off the off-the-street homeowner DIYer price?
I also shopped a Sherwin Williams store - the thing that really stood out to me was that SW had prices posted for each item they sold whereas Benjamin Moore had conspicuously EMPTY priceholders on the shelves for each item they sold. I had to ask the counter person "How much is a gallon of this or that paint? How much is this roller? etc." That was odd. (Maybe contractors don't really care about the prices since it's cost+ to their customers.)
BTW, we thought the standard-grade "Ben" paint we bought looked pretty good with about one and a half coats over drywall primer/sealer (the "half coat" was a second coat on the new bottom-half drywall to add more orange peel texture there to better match the top half of the walls which were original and had been painted over 10 years ago).
Also, I bought some Benjamin Moore "Ben" paint this weekend - it was $38 a gallon. What kind of discount do painting contractors get off the off-the-street homeowner DIYer price?
I also shopped a Sherwin Williams store - the thing that really stood out to me was that SW had prices posted for each item they sold whereas Benjamin Moore had conspicuously EMPTY priceholders on the shelves for each item they sold. I had to ask the counter person "How much is a gallon of this or that paint? How much is this roller? etc." That was odd. (Maybe contractors don't really care about the prices since it's cost+ to their customers.)
BTW, we thought the standard-grade "Ben" paint we bought looked pretty good with about one and a half coats over drywall primer/sealer (the "half coat" was a second coat on the new bottom-half drywall to add more orange peel texture there to better match the top half of the walls which were original and had been painted over 10 years ago).
I have accounts at both BM and Sherwyn Williams---
Each one has it's good points--SW has better exterior stains (In my experience)
BM has interior paints I have figured out---
SW eminence is better for ceilings than the BM---
These are things that a homeowner would have a hard time learning--because you would not be likely to do enough brand switching to find out that one is better than another---
This is why this site is a good resource-- I asked here what exterior stain worked best.
As to discount? I just don't know---I need--I buy---
Each one has it's good points--SW has better exterior stains (In my experience)
BM has interior paints I have figured out---
SW eminence is better for ceilings than the BM---
These are things that a homeowner would have a hard time learning--because you would not be likely to do enough brand switching to find out that one is better than another---
This is why this site is a good resource-- I asked here what exterior stain worked best.
As to discount? I just don't know---I need--I buy---
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But the good news is, if you contact Behr they will send you more paint under their warranty, if you have your original receipts.
And ignore the comments to come that people wouldn't use Behr paint if they got it for free, or even if they were paid to use it.
And ignore the comments to come that people wouldn't use Behr paint if they got it for free, or even if they were paid to use it.
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Based on our experience this weekend, I think we will do the rest of the house interior with Benjamin Moore. Any tips since you've got "interiors figured out with BM"?
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you really think that eminence is better than bm's waterborne ceiling paint?????
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If you liked the Ben, stick with that. The Regal line is my personal favorite
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