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I've read somewhere that bromadiolone ( I buy it as 'contrac blox') cannot be sold to unlicensed people anymore? I think they are concerned about wildlife eating the dead bodies of poisoned rats. I live in Southern CA by the way.
Anyways I have a possible rat problem on one of my properties. I have a pail of contrac blox but it is like 8 years old. A ***** if I can't buy anymore. I'm going to check Domyownpestcontrol.com see what they say too.
 

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https://www.wildlife.ca.gov/Living-with-Wildlife/Rodenticide
California limits use to licensed pest control but the EPA has banned it for consumers. If you look on PetMD, one of the biggest concerns is the death of many dogs. If you want to run the risk of a lawsuit for killing your neighbors' thousands of dollars dogs... You know Orange County is not Georgia. There are more and more lawsuits regarding pets. I can see them testing the dog then going house to house. ( Also look up if anticoagulants go bad over time)
http://www.ocregister.com/articles/schroeder-364781-dog-diablito.html

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always placed my baits in proper locked containers. Dogs would need screwdrivers to access the bait.

I thought the problem was dead rats being eaten by mountain lions. Even contractors can't control where the rats die.
 

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Problem might be edibility as well as toxicity. Many years old, dry, not appetizing to rats anymore. Anyone use those alternative baits? Don't know if they are good. Probably will buy some and give them a try
 

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Your bait is probably still good, especially if it has been in a sealed container.
I have used ancient bait with the same results as fresh bait.

The ban on anticoagulant bait is based on junk science, environmental hysteria, and ignorance and has had some very disturbing unintended side effects.

Some scientists found that some wild animals had some levels of brodificoum in their system so all anticoagulants have been banned.

It's hard to get an "enviromentalist" to accept that a little bit of the same compound that is regularly used in human medicine is not harmful. It is even harder to get them to understand that the methods they used to come to their conclusions may be flawed.

Rodent baits have bitrex and ipecac added to make the bait less palatable to non targets and to induce vomiting, which rats cannot do, in the case of accidental ingestion. A predator would have to consume gluttonous amounts of poisoned rats to get any significant exposure to the active ingredient.

Here's the kicker
With those anticoagulants that have been around for decades there is a known, commonly available and easy to administer antidote, that is also commonly found in pet food.
There is no known antidote for the bromethalin and the life saving treatment window is a few hours instead of several days
It also seems to have a lower LD50 than the old baits
 

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You're encouraging the use of a bait that's illegal for him to use in California and Federally? I didn't think that's done on this chatroom. You don't understand the area he's in & the scrutiny there is.
It is not a crime to use it. Too many nutcases in California, do not want to hurt vermin, along with telling people to stop eating meat.

The California Ban is just another overstepping of power by the elected idiots.
 

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Nik333 those links mean nothing. California bans everything that they think people are not smart enough to figure out what to do with it.

Large cities like NYC, Boston, etc, have more rats then people living there.

Who cares what the EPA and California state. They do not run our lives.

There is a reason why traps are used with that kind of bait.

This topic is as bad as those who jump in and start feeding off of the Radon topics, making it sound that you are going to die from Radon, living in a building.
 

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What?:vs_worry:

If you live here you are affected by the rules. Federal & State & County. Thinking it's nonsense won't help him if he is sued by a neighbor in a fancy house.
You do realize that you can be sued these days, just giving someone a look that they do not like.

If somebody sues over the killing of rats, which was how the Black Plague was spread. They may as well jump on the first train to the loony bin.

Dogs and cats will naturally pick up anything they find. It is the owner's responsibility to make sure that they do not find dead critters.

Remember now, California has a ban on everything. Because you never know when someone needs the government to hold them by the hand and tell them to not do that.
 
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