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Hi;
I need to replace some old pipe in my home. I recently replaced some 3/4" brass with copper, but I'm wondering whether future jobs might be easier if I were to use PEX tubing instead.
Any thoughts on the PEX, or should I just stick with the copper?

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On new construction unless the customer wants PEX I install copper.

On repair jobs I use PEX. I'm just old school and really like copper. But as pricing keeps getting higher and higher I'll probably start using PEX.

I like both but where I can I use copper
 

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What I like about PEX is how easy it is to route long runs of it. No solder joints.
It would be a real breeze to run it up through the walls, just like electrical cable. Only thing is that I would think it should be fastened to the studs and joists along the way, whereas you can just drop an electrical cable down a wall space without supportint it in the wall.

For now though, I'm only working in open spaces.
I think I should seriously look into PEX. Only down side might be that the crimping tool is expensive. I would have to weigh its cost against how much PEX I would be using, and compare to copper.

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I like copper as well, but it gets a bit difficult when it's in a hard to reach place.
I just have to be careful not to burn the house down<g>
I like the fire protection pad I bought at HD. It works very well, and is easy to place.
I just found a spot on the joist in the meter closet where the last plumber soldered without protection. The joist is charred around the area of the pipe.
IMO, it's just plain stupid to solder without protection.

I'm sorry to say that I've seen a lot of work, both plumbing and electrical done by "pros" which isn't as good as what I can do.
I guess you have to know which pro to call.

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Copper

On new construction unless the customer wants PEX I install copper.

On repair jobs I use PEX. I'm just old school and really like copper. But as pricing keeps getting higher and higher I'll probably start using PEX.

I like both but where I can I use copper

LOL:laughing::laughing::laughing::laughing::laughing::laughing:
 

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I replaced all the copper in my 50 year old house with PEX because the copper had sprung pinhole leaks in many different places, including the fittings (which were done with the old 50/50 lead/tin solder). Of course, I am on well water, which is quite acidic (about pH = 5), so this explains the leaks.

I used Wirsbo PEX, and originally used brass fittings, but about halfway through switched to plastic fittings. I bought the expander tool, which cost about $300, well worth it, since I ran about 200 feet of pipe, both 1/2 inch and 3/4 inch.

A word of advice on PEX. First of all, you need to use potable water class PEX for your drinking water supply, not the PEX used for underfloor radiant heat systems. Second, check out the threads on the lawsuit related to PEX brass fittings made by ZURN. Apparently ZURN sold over 100 million brass fittings, some of which failed shortly after installation, allegedly due to improper design or fabrication. ZURN is apparently no longer reimbursing plumbers who installed these fittings. I do not know if ZURN makes brass fittings for PEX anymore, but they may still be in warehouses or stores.

If you elect to go with plastic fittings, note that they cannot be reused, so if you need to add to a line and remove a fitting, you will need to throw the fitting out. No big deal, they don't cost too much.

Theoretically brass fittings can be reused, but my experience was that in order to remove them, you had to cut the plastic off with a utility knife, which was sufficient to damage the fitting and cause a leak if reused. Best to plan on throwing them out if you ever remove them. So when you install your pipe, you might plan to get some extra fitting, especially unions, since you may end up removing one or two fittings along the way.
 

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Where are you going that the tool costs $300? Second question, which pex are you talking about? Uponor/Wirsbo PEX with the expanding tool or PEX with crimp rings? The "Quick and Easy" tool for Uponor is $300+ (gotta love propriatary equipment) but the tool for the crimp style (like PolyB) is only $100-150. Plus you can always rent them from most plumbing wholesalers and some box stores like Home Depot. As for the Pex vs Copper argument... unless you are skilled at soldering and can guaranty that you won't burn your house down, Pex is faster, easier and getting to be cheaper to install.
 

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Zurn's issues with their fittings were a long time ago although there's still class action going on for those old installations. Zurn still makes fittings today and there's nothing wrong with their modern products.
 

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Where are you going that the tool costs $300? Second question, which pex are you talking about? Uponor/Wirsbo PEX with the expanding tool or PEX with crimp rings? The "Quick and Easy" tool for Uponor is $300+ (gotta love propriatary equipment) but the tool for the crimp style (like PolyB) is only $100-150. Plus you can always rent them from most plumbing wholesalers and some box stores like Home Depot. As for the Pex vs Copper argument... unless you are skilled at soldering and can guaranty that you won't burn your house down, Pex is faster, easier and getting to be cheaper to install.
I cannot say which PEX I would use. I will have to do some more research on it.
As for copper, I have done quite a bit of copper sweat. I used a fire pad that I bought at HD. It worked very well. I am also very careful to plan where my solder joints will be. I won't put them right on joists/studs, or in other places where it would be difficult to control the torch.
I do as much work on the bench as possible.

Like I said; I'm going to have to do more research on PEX before I get into using it for anything major.

FW
 
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