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How do you paint over old outdated paneling ? That's from nineteen hundered and seventy three.

I have been told that it can be done but takes extra steps & procedures.
 

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If you want to end up with a wall that looks like cheap painted paneling then just clean it, prime with a bonding primer then paint.
 

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We used a product called Kilz primer. Then painted with the paint of choice. It worked and has held up well. However, the paint of choice was a flat finish not my preference.
 

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How do you paint over old outdated paneling ? That's from nineteen hundered and seventy three.

I have been told that it can be done but takes extra steps & procedures.
Painted paneling can look just fine, but there will never be any question what it is. Good quality, well applied primer is going to be extremely important.

When I've painted paneling I've been very careful to brush the grooves well, then roll the flat surface. It takes a lot of extra time, but will turn out just fine.


By the way, why are you using that huge green font?
 

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About painting over paneling

Hello Again

Thank-you for your reply

I did ask for this advice but I expected to hear , fill in the verticle lines with a putty or some kind of wood filler ?

The reason for the font is #1 it easier to see what I write verses what someone else writes and it's easier to read, I also like the colored letter.

But I have not found where the spell correction is, but there seems to be a misspelled identifier here ?

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If you're trying to make the paneling look like a flat wall- you probably won't. Remove and put up a thin 1/4 " sheetrock and finish .
But if you want to have painted paneling, do as suggested-
Scuff sand ( knock down the gloss so the primer can get a better grip)
Prime with an adhesion primer ( zin 123, Smart Prime are good choices)
You will have nail holes you didn't see and some caulking to do after prime.
Then finish with at least an eggshell finish. I often apply with a roller and then strike off with a brush to fill the grooves and give it more of an enameled trim look.
Here is one I did- paneling one color- trim another-BTW this was VERY dark panelling to begin with. Prime with smart prime and 2 coats Aura
 

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About painting over paneling

Hello Brushjockey

Thank-you for the advice and a good example.

Would it be advisable to caulk the obvious
nail holes / injuries to the paneling, before I do the scuff & sand ?

And the verticle lines in the paneling will get filled in with the Zin 123 / premium primer ?

Should I use a belt sander or what to do the sanding

joshl
 

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Please use regular size font- it looks like you are so very much more important...

The sanding does not have to be deep, just all over . I use a Med sponge sander. Just trying to break the gloss.
Then prime. It will then be obvious what needs filled.
The grooves will not go away. It is possible to fill them, but it usually is not worth it. Like I said, if you expect it to look like a regular flat wall, it won't .
It will look like painted paneling. Not a bad thing, but it is what it is.
 

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Hello Arc painting

Do I need to use a belt sander or what to do the sanding , I have heard to use a premium primer though

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joshl,

You don't seem to get it and you are headed for trouble.
Why not remove the paneling and repair any damage and paint what is left?
 

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You can paint over some paneling, dependent also on how it is secured (not loose).

In some situations, Home Owners want a quick and temporary improvement. Some paneling has been installed with adhesives that will damage the underlying substrate (which is usually sheetrock) - when removed and creates more work (that may not be at the skill-level of the DIYer to handle such on their own - in an expediant manner).

Again, I would not label or consider it a a permanant soluation, however, I would consider it a temporary and cost effective improvement for some people (not for others).

Would I do it in my own home? I did it in my first house (for the reasons that I listed above) and was very pleased with the outcome, even after 10+ years that I lived there. Not one house guest ever had any idea that there was panelling on that particular room's walls. I've sinced moved.

As stated: Clean the paneling, re-nail & caulk the seams, and treat it with oil-based Kilz or Binz. Later, apply seam tape over joints, and drywall compound over the channels and again over the seams. Coat and sand smooth (just like drywall). Prime & Paint.

It works if it is done right and can hold up for a surprising length of time.

Good Luck.
 

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You can paint over some paneling, dependent also on how it is secured (not loose).

In some situations, Home Owners want a quick and temporary improvement. Some paneling has been installed with adhesives that will damage the underlying substrate (which is usually sheetrock) - when removed and creates more work (that may not be at the skill-level of the DIYer to handle such on their own - in an expediant manner).

Again, I would not label or consider it a a permanant soluation, however, I would consider it a temporary and cost effective improvement for some people (not for others).

Would I do it in my own home? I did it in my first house (for the reasons that I listed above) and was very pleased with the outcome, even after 10+ years that I lived there. Not one house guest ever had any idea that there was panelling on that particular room's walls. I've sinced moved.

As stated: Clean the paneling, re-nail & caulk the seams, and treat it with oil-based Kilz or Binz. Later, apply seam tape over joints, and drywall compound over the channels and again over the seams. Coat and sand smooth (just like drywall). Prime & Paint.

It works if it is done right and can hold up for a surprising length of time.

Good Luck.
I don't believe that part was stated anywhere, but probably is the most important. The primer will not stick to liquid gold(wax) that is probably on there.:whistling2:
 

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If you are simply looking for paint the paneling, it is not as difficult as you may think. Be sure to put down a primer first but then you can simply paint right over it. If you want to make your paneling look like a regular wall, you will have to make it a flat service by getting rid of the small indents and crevasses between each and every piece of panneling. Also, some panneling, if it was not put up when the house was built, was simply glued on on top of the wall. If this is the case, you can invite some friends over and just destroy the panneling, carefully ripping it off the wall piece by piece. This can be very time consuming and you want to be sure not to ruin the wall or leave bumpy glue. There are many options but it all depends on the cirumstances and what results you may be looking for.
 

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As stated: Clean the paneling, re-nail & caulk the seams, and treat it with oil-based Kilz or Binz. Later, apply seam tape over joints, and drywall compound over the channels and again over the seams. Coat and sand smooth (just like drywall). Prime & Paint.
Kilz is not a bonding primer. You need a bonding primer on paneling. Zinsser Cover Stain, kilz's competitor, is, among other Zinsser products.
 

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I"m not too sure how much you want to get into this project, but most walpaper companies have a product designed to cover wallpaper to create a paintable service. Unfortunately it adds another step to the process. I have seen it done, and there are no lines visible on the panel when completed. I did not however see the process. I'd check with the local wall paper dealer for their input.
 

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I"m not too sure how much you want to get into this project, but most walpaper companies have a product designed to cover wallpaper to create a paintable service. Unfortunately it adds another step to the process. I have seen it done, and there are no lines visible on the panel when completed. I did not however see the process. I'd check with the local wall paper dealer for their input.

http://www.flexiwall.com/pages/home_page.htm
 
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