This is a bad, bad product! I needed to tile a shower enclosure and Versabond does not list continued "Wet use" on its lable so dumb me, I go to Home Depot and listen to a clerk recite the great attributes of Omnigrip. Five days later, I was shocked when the electrician told me the tile moved! This product is misleading. I was ready to grout. Five days folks! ! ! I've just finished removing all my tile. Not one tile had adhered to my carefully prepared surface. Another person on this forum used the term that Omnigrip was like Toothpaste after several days. That is a useful term. I think "frosting" is also descriptive. What has happened to the truth in advertising laws? Don't tell me it is the humidity - I live in Arizona! Somebody needs to stop these people. DON'T USE THIS PRODUCT! ! !
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It's all YOUR fault!
You're the one who decided to go to a place where virtually no one knows much about tile. OK, OK, I'm not serious. It is not your fault at all, it's just that you cannot trust them with their bad advice. (as I write this an HD commercial is on the radio
) So, there aren't any real tile shops in Arizona?
The manufacturer is even worse. They make all kinds of false claims for these pre-mixed products. The only place you can use pre-mixed products with confidence is for dry vertical areas such as a kitchen backsplash.
Am I understanding that you used it in a shower. What type of substrate did you go over for the wall and floor. How was this built? Did you apply a surface waterproofing membrane?
Jaz
You're the one who decided to go to a place where virtually no one knows much about tile. OK, OK, I'm not serious. It is not your fault at all, it's just that you cannot trust them with their bad advice. (as I write this an HD commercial is on the radio
) So, there aren't any real tile shops in Arizona? The manufacturer is even worse. They make all kinds of false claims for these pre-mixed products. The only place you can use pre-mixed products with confidence is for dry vertical areas such as a kitchen backsplash.
Am I understanding that you used it in a shower. What type of substrate did you go over for the wall and floor. How was this built? Did you apply a surface waterproofing membrane?
Jaz
Thank you for replying. I have just returned after spending several years in Japan with the Navy. I have discovered (in the 4 months I've been "home") that the USA is truly the wild, wild west. I must check out every product, and their claims on forums on the internet. I didn't do it this time. Okay. . .I'm stupid?
The shower is on concrete (somewhat lower than the floor. Thank goodness I used Versabond to tile my floor!!!). I used deck mud for my slope. I used wonderboard for the walls (oh heaven help me - it is supposed to be better than the cement board of the old days) and green board for the ceiling. Then I used two coats of RedGard for the walls. Got a nice seal. (I want a walk-in euro-style shower, by the way). So, since RedGard is not rated for the pan function, I used Aqua-Seal for the shower pan seal. Remember I don't want a curb. Oh heaven help me, that product is rated for that use. I used two coats and inspected it and it has a nice seal. It went on well and I applied it under the weep holes. I was impressed by the quality of this product - it did what it was supposed to do - made a membrane. I believe the BIG problem with the mix of what I have done is the AWFUL, AWFUL Omnigrip. Now, how are people supposed to know this product doesn't do what it is touted to do on its lable? What do people do coming to this country? No wonder our President has had to pass a law regarding credit cards. I have found fradulent claims regarding so many things. I just want to get on a plane and leave again. What a sad experience I am having returning "home." What has happened to America?
The shower is on concrete (somewhat lower than the floor. Thank goodness I used Versabond to tile my floor!!!). I used deck mud for my slope. I used wonderboard for the walls (oh heaven help me - it is supposed to be better than the cement board of the old days) and green board for the ceiling. Then I used two coats of RedGard for the walls. Got a nice seal. (I want a walk-in euro-style shower, by the way). So, since RedGard is not rated for the pan function, I used Aqua-Seal for the shower pan seal. Remember I don't want a curb. Oh heaven help me, that product is rated for that use. I used two coats and inspected it and it has a nice seal. It went on well and I applied it under the weep holes. I was impressed by the quality of this product - it did what it was supposed to do - made a membrane. I believe the BIG problem with the mix of what I have done is the AWFUL, AWFUL Omnigrip. Now, how are people supposed to know this product doesn't do what it is touted to do on its lable? What do people do coming to this country? No wonder our President has had to pass a law regarding credit cards. I have found fradulent claims regarding so many things. I just want to get on a plane and leave again. What a sad experience I am having returning "home." What has happened to America?
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Should have used Kerdi.....
My understanding about kerdi is that I'd need to apply a rather thick amount of deck mud over it. I cannot figure out what is so great about kerdi that cannot be solved by another kind of membrane. Sometimes it isn't possible to install the shower floor to a sub-level depth to accomodate that product - which then precludes an "accessible" shower. Americans have a big thing about a shower "curb" - the rest of the world does not. A curb prevents a wheel chair or a walker and creates a hardship for cleaning.
I can still do it if somebody out there can really make a good enough case about it to convince me. . . (even though I don't WANT a curb!)
Aqua Seal users. . .?
I can still do it if somebody out there can really make a good enough case about it to convince me. . . (even though I don't WANT a curb!)
Aqua Seal users. . .?
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Not so....
Kerdi will require a 1/4 x 3/16 V notch trowel. Your mud application is about 140 foot to a bag.Then you mix it to a pancake batter consistancy.
There is nothing like Kerdi on the market, you have nothing to compare it to. Kerdi does not only block moisture it blocks vapor..... this halts condensation in the wall.
Since it seems you have a distain for the American way it may please you to know Kerdi is made in Germany, they have plants in Canada but the concepts are German born.
I do agree that there is a lot of misinformation but one must remember that when you shop a store like a HD your are dealing with a person that may have been in the plumbing dept the week before.
There are many Tile websites on line that would have steered you in the correct direction. Please be understanding with the tile community we are trying to get all the correct facts out to the public.
One the most informed is Harry Dunbar with the Ontario Tile Setters site or you can find good info on John Bridge's site.
We live in a society that thinks because they installed thier own bathroom tile they are now tile setters or the attended a 1 hour show in the tile dept at Lowes or HD and have all the facts.
I worked for HD back in the day and the give improper install procedures all the time. I used to cring when we would be in there to pick up tile and see a sales person giving a seminar.
Good luck man.
Kerdi will require a 1/4 x 3/16 V notch trowel. Your mud application is about 140 foot to a bag.Then you mix it to a pancake batter consistancy.
There is nothing like Kerdi on the market, you have nothing to compare it to. Kerdi does not only block moisture it blocks vapor..... this halts condensation in the wall.
Since it seems you have a distain for the American way it may please you to know Kerdi is made in Germany, they have plants in Canada but the concepts are German born.
I do agree that there is a lot of misinformation but one must remember that when you shop a store like a HD your are dealing with a person that may have been in the plumbing dept the week before.
There are many Tile websites on line that would have steered you in the correct direction. Please be understanding with the tile community we are trying to get all the correct facts out to the public.
One the most informed is Harry Dunbar with the Ontario Tile Setters site or you can find good info on John Bridge's site.
We live in a society that thinks because they installed thier own bathroom tile they are now tile setters or the attended a 1 hour show in the tile dept at Lowes or HD and have all the facts.
I worked for HD back in the day and the give improper install procedures all the time. I used to cring when we would be in there to pick up tile and see a sales person giving a seminar.
Good luck man.
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