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Greetings all.
I recently downsized and purchased a condo that was built in the 70's.
Upon occupancy inspection my 2 bathroom GFI's failed, one in each bath.
One of them I was able to run a ground to the mounting box and it was fixed.
The other one is the issue....
The bathroom has nice marble walls. There is a wall switch controlling a cabinet light and exhaust-fan, there is also a GFI outlet next to the sink which fails the little plug-in tester, showing an open ground.
There are 2 loose wires feeding the outlet through the side of the metal box and no conduit. The metal box flops completely loose inside the wall cavity...it is not mounted to anything holding it in place except from the tension of the cover plate only!
When I run a ground to the box in the wall where the GFI is located, naturally nothing happens. When I run it over to the metal box where the switch is located, the tester indicates a proper ground is in place.
The wall GFI outlet has red+white wires.
The light and fan outlet has white+blue wires.
All 3 of those colors are in the switch box.
I thought about pulling the red+white combo back into the switch box and adding a green ground, however, when I pull either end of the wires I get zero movement at the other end.
I am thinking maybe there was a box elsewhere in the wall years ago that got marble covered, this is the reason for the wires not moving when pulled.
I need an idea how to make this pass inspection.
Thanks in advance
Dean
 

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406.4(D)(2)(b) A non–grounding-type receptacle(s) shall be permitted
to be replaced with a ground-fault circuit interruptertype
of receptacle(s). These receptacles shall be marked
“No Equipment Ground.” An equipment grounding conductor
shall not be connected from the ground-fault circuitinterrupter-
type receptacle to any outlet supplied from the
ground-fault circuit-interrupter receptacle.

Inside each box of a new GFCI device you will find a sticker that says "No Equipment Ground." Slap one of those bad boys on it, and call it a day. Those testers will always give you a false reading on a situation like this.
 

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Condo GFCI outlet wiring

406.4(D)(2)(b) A non–grounding-type receptacle(s) shall be permitted
to be replaced with a ground-fault circuit interruptertype
of receptacle(s). These receptacles shall be marked
“No Equipment Ground.” An equipment grounding conductor
shall not be connected from the ground-fault circuitinterrupter-
type receptacle to any outlet supplied from the
ground-fault circuit-interrupter receptacle.

Inside each box of a new GFCI device you will find a sticker that says "No Equipment Ground." Slap one of those bad boys on it, and call it a day. Those testers will always give you a false reading on a situation like this.
Thank you for the reply Mshow.
I am looking to pass an occupancy inspection. All of my outlets were in place before my arrival.....so I do not have the sticker.
My other bathroom had a similarly failed outlet and I simply ran a jumper from the outlet ground to the metal mounting box and it passed. This one I thought would fail as I did nothing to it... and it failed.
This outlet would need to run a hair dryer on accasion, but nothing else.

So, you are saying, even with only 2 wires to this GFCI outlet, all I need to do is add the "no-equipment-ground sticker" and it will be all good.
I live in central lake county, IL, so your location may lend some experience here.

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Dean
 

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Thank you for the reply Mshow.
I am looking to pass an occupancy inspection. All of my outlets were in place before my arrival.....so I do not have the sticker.
My other bathroom had a similarly failed outlet and I simply ran a jumper from the outlet ground to the metal mounting box and it passed. This one I thought would fail as I did nothing to it... and it failed.
This outlet would need to run a hair dryer on accasion, but nothing else.

So, you are saying, even with only 2 wires to this GFCI outlet, all I need to do is add the "no-equipment-ground sticker" and it will be all good.
I live in central lake county, IL, so your location may lend some experience here.

Thank You
Dean
Yes sir, it will. You could possibly find those stickers online, but for ~$18 I would just buy a device. If I remember right, each one comes with three stickers.
 

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Condo GFCI issue

Yes sir, it will. You could possibly find those stickers online, but for ~$18 I would just buy a device. If I remember right, each one comes with three stickers.
Perfect, I am on my way to Menards now!
Do I need to put one of those stickers on my GFCI that does not show "open ground" when the tester is plugged-in as well?
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Label for open ground GFCI in condo

No, just on the non grounded one.
OK, just a bit of a follow-up.
I went and bought a $10 GFCI outlet, brought it home and it only had stickers in the box that stated that the outlet WAS GFCI protected....nothing about it not having equipment ground protection.
I had to take it back and look through 3 different manufacturers before I found one that had 2 stickers in English that said NO equipment ground.
 
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