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Hello pros, I'm a newbie to the this site, but was hoping for some direction. I have a 60"x35" fiberglass shower unit that I am ripping out! I am going to tile the walls for sure! The question is to tile or not to tile the floor??? Researched internet and found bases that are tile ready, for example tile redi, and redgard. Not so sure for these products though... Are they easy to use? Is it hard to tile a floor? I guess my only options are a plastic looking fiberglass base or tile, right? No contractors involved, this is just me myself and I with this one. Don't want anything too complicated by I want it to look nice. Thanks for any advise or direction you can give me.
 

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I would definitely want a tiled floor with a tiled shower. Schluter Kerdi is a relatively easy shower floor system to use, and the shower kit makes waterproofing your shower relatively easy too.
 

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Hello pros, I'm a newbie to the this site, but was hoping for some direction. I have a 60"x35" fiberglass shower unit that I am ripping out! I am going to tile the walls for sure! The question is to tile or not to tile the floor??? Researched internet and found bases that are tile ready, for example tile redi, and redgard. Not so sure for these products though... Are they easy to use? Is it hard to tile a floor? I guess my only options are a plastic looking fiberglass base or tile, right? No contractors involved, this is just me myself and I with this one. Don't want anything too complicated by I want it to look nice. Thanks for any advise or direction you can give me.
Stay away from the Tile-Redi product. Those things can be a nightmare. Redgard is not a shower base, it is a liquid (paint-on) waterproofing product.

Don't tile the base. Buy an acrylic or Fiberglas shower floor that you can set into a cubby hole and then tile the walls only. The walls will require tile-backer, NO DRYWALL. There are other cautions you should know about but make some decisions on the method you will use first.
 

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Stay away from the Tile-Redi product. Those things can be a nightmare.
It's interesting you say that. I was just looking at a video on their site, and I got half way through and thought to myself "no way".

The walls will require tile-backer, NO DRYWALL.
Drywall is fine with Kerdi of course - that's what I'd use, but his homeowner will have to decide for himself.
 

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It's interesting you say that. I was just looking at a video on their site, and I got half way through and thought to myself "no way".
Drywall is fine with Kerdi of course - that's what I'd use, but his homeowner will have to decide for himself.
There are several Tile-Redi nightmares mentioned on this site somewhere, one of them is mine. That product is garbage and their customer support staff is uninformed and without field experience.

True drywall can be used with KERDI Mat but KERDI Mat has a "learning curve" I wouldn't thrust on this particular DIY. Keep it simple for zinopower.
 

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Thanks Tileguy for the help! I am a women and will be doing this on my own. I'm VERY handy around the house, but this will be my first tile work so I do need to keep it as simple as I can! I want it really nice though....LOL
 

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Of course a premade acrylic shower pan would be the easiest. I'm just thinking if she's willing to tile walls and niche, she can tile a floor too. The only question is the drain installation. Personally, I think a tiled floor looks so much better with tiled walls. This looks cheap and half-assed, but that is just one man's opinion on aesthetics.

http://content.angieslist.com/2012/3/4/d987b408-0f5d-4ae9-ac6d-a6001bf3e68e.JPG
 

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Thanks Tileguy for the help! I am a women and will be doing this on my own. I'm VERY handy around the house, but this will be my first tile work so I do need to keep it as simple as I can! I want it really nice though....LOL
You'll do fine! Anything we can do to help just holler.:thumbsup:
 

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Of course a premade acrylic shower pan would be the easiest. I'm just thinking if she's willing to tile walls and niche, she can tile a floor too. The only question is the drain installation. Personally, I think a tiled floor looks so much better with tiled walls. This looks cheap and half-assed, but that is just one man's opinion on aesthetics.

http://content.angieslist.com/2012/3/4/d987b408-0f5d-4ae9-ac6d-a6001bf3e68e.JPG
i agree. but if that pan was a "color" it would look good.
 

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Cast onyx pans come in a huge variety of colors---in this area they are made to order by a local cast counter top company.
 

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True drywall can be used with KERDI Mat but KERDI Mat has a "learning curve" I wouldn't thrust on this particular DIY. Keep it simple for zinopower.
I'm curious why you keep writing KERDI Mat, especially always with a capital "M". Schluter doesn't call it that - they refer to it as KERDI membrane or KERDI waterproof membrane.

Also, Kerdi is probably easier to install than traditional cement boards. It's easier to cut to size, easier to hold in place, and requires no screws. When applying to a wall, it's very easy to cut out holes for the shower faucet and shower head spout while on the wall. Try doing that with cement board. It requires thinset, just like cement board on a floor would require. There is a "learning curve" I suppose with any new product one tries, but it's nothing difficult.
 

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And something more detailed and difficult.
No more detailed and difficult than tiling her walls, which she said she is doing for sure. The only thing she said she wanted is that it looks nice. IMO, a tiled floor is going to look nicer than a preformed floor assuming the walls are tiled. She will have to decide on the aesthetics.
 

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But there is just something more custom looking about tile :)
And something more detailed and difficult.
no doubt

Also, Kerdi is probably easier to install than traditional cement boards. It's easier to cut to size, easier to hold in place, and requires no screws. When applying to a wall, it's very easy to cut out holes for the shower faucet and shower head spout while on the wall. Try doing that with cement board. It requires thinset, just like cement board on a floor would require. There is a "learning curve" I suppose with any new product one tries, but it's nothing difficult.
when i did mine. i found that it was difficult to get an even layer of thin set under the kerdi. as you have to "work" the kerdi into the thin set, to get it to stick. and this caused the mud to bunch up in places. i ended up with a not "very" flat wall. i had my work cut out for me when tiling.

the floor = piece of cake.
 

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when i did mine. i found that it was difficult to get an even layer of thin set under the kerdi. as you have to "work" the kerdi into the thin set, to get it to stick. and this caused the mud to bunch up in places. i ended up with a not "very" flat wall. i had my work cut out for me when tiling.
You probably mixed the thinset too thick and/or used too large of a trowel. According to the instructions for Kerdi,

"The mortar must be mixed to a fairly fluid consistency"

"[use] a 1/4" x 3/16" V notched trowel or Kerdi trowel"

If you do those 2 things, it should be easy.
 

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no doubt



when i did mine. i found that it was difficult to get an even layer of thin set under the kerdi. as you have to "work" the kerdi into the thin set, to get it to stick. and this caused the mud to bunch up in places. i ended up with a not "very" flat wall. i had my work cut out for me when tiling.

the floor = piece of cake.
THERE YA GO!
Thank you "Fix" for your testimony, this is exactly what I am talking about when I say "There is a learning curve". Installing KERDI Mat is not as easy as Schluter would have you believe it is.
 

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THERE YA GO!
Thank you "Fix" for your testimony, this is exactly what I am talking about when I say "There is a learning curve". Installing KERDI Mat is not as easy as Schluter would have you believe it is.
that is why i through that in there. when someone is teaching themselves, it can be pretty difficult to get the nack of it. even to the point of teaching yourself the wrong way to do it. as opposed to having someone show you the correct way right from the start.

and my wall was not a sea of waves. under about 1/8" unflat. a 4' level was my freind when setting the tiles.
 
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