[Catldavis]

Not sure why, but I'm locking-up on how to wire a ceiling fan with the fan and oscillation feature. It's a Bentley II from Home Depot. There's a video that shows that the switch needs a hot and ground and then two travelers (they show red and black) to the ceiling box. The ceiling box needs a neutral and and ground and the two travelers from the switch. For the life of me I can't figure out how to convert that configuration to Romex. Should I pull 12/3 from the switch to the ceiling box and 12/2 to the switch? Also, where does the neutral in the ceiling box terminate? Here are some images that I clipped from the video that might make it easier to understand:

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

 

[Wiredindallas]

Yes, 2 conductor to feed the switch and 3 conductor (+ a ground in each). to the fan. There should be a green, white, black, and another color for the red from the switch.

 

[Catldavis]

If using 12/2 to feed the switch, what do I do with the neutral in the switch box, just kill it off?

 

[Jim Port]

Wish the power already in the switch box or where is it coming from?

 

[hlopez77]

Inside the switch box
Make up the neutrals together with wirenut ,from the 12/2 and 12/3
Make up your grounds with 2 extra grounds 1 for each switch. Wirenut the joint of wires.your making 2 wires off the 1because you have 2 switches
Make up your hot with 2 extra wires 1 for each switch wirenut the joint of wires.again your making 2 wires off the 1 because you have 2 swiches

From the 12/3
That goes up to the fan/light
Put the black on 1 switch and the red on another switch
Now use 1 of the blacks you made up on the 12/2 to each switch and the same for the grounds you made up.

I'm assuming your installing single pole switches.


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[hlopez77]

Your pics aren't opening.

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[Catldavis]

Wish the power already in the switch box or where is it coming from?

I have the option to bring it in from the switch box or the ceiling box. This is a new installation (no fan/light in the location of where the fan will be) and it has a drop ceiling (so easy to run Romex to ceiling box) and conduit in the wall to the switch box (so easy to run Romex) so not too difficult either way. The instructions say to bring it in the switch (only hot and ground), but the whole set-up is confusing. I just uploaded links to the pictures I clipped from the video the manufacturer created.

 

[Catldavis]

Not sure why pictures aren't opening, here are links to them:

https://photos.app.goo.gl/Hb8VoSwfLBkf3hFp7

https://photos.app.goo.gl/sxwb21iZV1ucnHNa9

 

[diyorpay]

Think of it as 2 devices going to ceiling, a fan and a light.
Each would have its own wall switch to turn each on separately.
Your diagram shows 1 switch. Therefor, the red and black get added to switch and do nothing to separate functions. Pull cord forever to turn light on/off!

You need 2 switches. One with red power for fan or light, one with black power for the other.

Simple switch will work for light if on/off is all you want. Fans work best with wall switch controlling speed, direction, on/off.

If switch diagram is just too simple but actual switch has both light and fan controls built in, you're set.

 

[chetwisner]

Does the fan have a light kit?

What are the unconnected wire colors in the fan?

 

[Catldavis]

fan has no light, just fan speed and an oscillation feature.

 

[Catldavis]

Forgot ceiling box wiring, the manufacturer stated it should be ground to ground, white (neutral) to white, blue (fan wire) to red (assuming red from the wall switch), fan black to wall switch black.

 

[diyorpay]

Any reference to 'blue and red' is for a light kit. Your fan must be 'light kit capable'. If you intend to never have an independently switched light, you only need to follow the 'black' instructions. A 14/2 cable from switch to fan will do it.
A fan switch with controls will give more options than a single pole switch which will do 'on/off'.

White from wall switch to white at fan. Black from wall switch to black at fan.
If, by any chance, the fan comes with an electronic remote control, it's different. Let us know.

 

[Catldavis]

It has no light kit available. One hot (red or black from switch) operates the fan. The other hot operates the oscillation feature. So it will take xx/3 (12/3 or 14/3) for the fan and oscillation both to work. To think of it, you could think of the oscillation option as a light option. Also, it comes with a special switch for fan speed and oscillation. So I won’t be needing a switch (or switches).

I know how to wire the fan, my first question is where should the hot come from to operate the switch? If you look at the images, they show a single black hot and a ground going to the switch. So the switch has one leg hot going in and two hots (red and black in the images) going to the fan to operate the fan and the oscillation feature. So if I pull 12/2 in to the switch, what do I do with the neutral, just wire nut it and kill it in the switch box? I can’t image they anticipate me pulling a single black and a single ground. I’m just having a hard time figuring that part out.

My second question is, looking at the ceiling box image, they show a single neutral and a single ground. I know how to wire them to the fan, but where does the neutral run back to in the ceiling? The neutral doesn’t run back to the switch since it doesn’t show or call for a neutral in the switch box (as previously stated, just a hot black and ground in to the switch and a hot black and a hot red out of the switch to the fan). So just above the ceiling where the switch is located I have a box where 12/2 is connected to a circuit. I can tap that connection and run 12/2 Romeo to the switch or the ceiling box. It seems like they want me to split it and run the ground to both the switch and the ceiling box, the hot (black) to the switch and the neutral to the ceiling box?

 

[diyorpay]

ok. Not seen this before.
You need 14/3 or 12/3 to ceiling box. Black, red and white. And a ground of course.
Your wall switch diagram says hook hot black supply in switch location to wire in custom switch that is black with white stripe. This in turn supplies hot power to 'fan' and 'oscillating feature' separately, the magic board in switch.
Black(Sw) to black (to ceiling) (likely fan) and blue (Sw) to red(to ceiling) (likely oscillating feature).
Third wire from switch (not shown in your diagram) is white neutral. So white to white at ceiling and at switch, white to a neutral bundle in box.

 

[hkstroud]

Wiring instructions are wrong, grossly wrong.

 

[chetwisner]

Quite different!

From the video I watched, it looks like the following:
Into the Fan box, is brought one White wire (Neutral), and a Bare Ground.
There's a two wire cable (Red and Black) running between ceiling, and switch box.
At the switch box, there's an additional Black (Hot) and Bare Ground.

Hookup as follows:
Switch Box:
The Red wire is connected to the Blue wire from your special switch.
The Black wire (from the ceiling box) connects to the solid Black wire on your switch.
The Black wire (Hot) connects to the white-striped Black wire on your switch.
The Green wires are ground, so connect them together.

At the ceiling:
Blue wire from fan connects to Red wire from switch box.
Black wire from fan connects to Black wire from switch box.
White wire (the Neutral) connects to White.

The video is here:

All of this above is total bunk, as far as I'm concerned, because you'll have to use single wires from different places, but if that's what you wanna do, go for it.

HOWEVER, you said this is a new installation, so....

I would instead, run 12/2 Romex from a 20amp Breaker in the panel to the switch box, and 12/3 Romex from the switch box to the fan box.

At the switch box, I would connect the Black (Hot, from panel) to the Black/white striped wire on your switch.
The two White wires would be wirenutted together.
The Black wire from your switch would wirenut to the Black from the fan box, and the Blue wire on your switch would connect to the Red wire.

At the fan box, Black goes to Black, White to White, and Red to Blue.

BTW: Don't put black tape on your wirenuts, it's not necessary if the wirenuts are put on correctly. Tug on each wire from the wirenut to make sure it won't come loose.

Also, don't use a metal ladder like the guy in the video (unless that's all you have, and then be darn sure there's no power up there).

Let us know how it goes.

EDIT: DO ALL OF THIS WITHOUT ANY WIRES CONNECTED TO THE BREAKER IN THE PANEL. Put them on last, with the breaker in the OFF position.

 

[hlopez77]

The instructions they gave you are no good.please Follow the instructions from chetwisner on this post.

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