[jacklynhydejr]

I'm looking to purchase this sconce, though to my dismay it appears to need a smaller outlet box than standard.

https://www.circalighting.com/bryant-sconce-tob2022/?gclid=EAIaIQobChMIsZj7xduq6AIViJOzCh188Q4DEAkYASABEgL8mvD_BwE

https://circaskin.circalighting.com/media/pdf_uploads/IG_TOB2022PNWG.pdf

The electrician already put in 4" square junction boxes, though the walls are still open for the moment so I suppose they could be replaced. I'd rather not have to deal with my unpleasant electrician though, so I'm hoping there are options here for me.

Can this be addressed with some sort of universal mounting bracket?

I'm assuming the issue is the backplate on the sconce is smaller than the hole in the wall that would be left by the 4" junction box. I have a very tight space and really love this style. Any ideas would be most welcome.

 

[rjniles]

A 4" square is the wrong box for a ceiling or wall mounted fixture. Make him change it or DIY.

I doubt that fixture is UL listed.

 

[miamicuse]

Will a 3-1/2" octagon box work?

 

[Let it Snow]

Just ask him to add this plate to the box.

 

[jacklynhydejr]

Just ask him to add this plate to the box.

@Let it Snow, that looks perfect actually!!! And I guess the sconce either attaches to that directly if you are lucky and the screw holes line up, or you then use one of those universal mounting brackets?

Does anything have to be adjusted to ensure the sconce back plate sits flush with the wall?

What I really don't understand is why the manufacturer would say you need a 3-inch J-Box if this is such a simple solution???

 

[jacklynhydejr]

@miamicuse This is the box. Maybe it is octagonal, not square.

On the diagonal it is 4", side to side is 3.5". Sconce back plate is 4" round.

Is this appropriate for a sconce with a round back plate?

 

[rjniles]

That is a 4" octagonal not a square. That is what any electrician would install for a wall or ceiling fixture unless something else else is specified.

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[Nealtw]

Have you got the lamps and measured them, I am sure you will find the cover plate is a 1/2" bigger.

 

[Let it Snow]

@miamicuse This is the box. Maybe it is octagonal, not square.

On the diagonal it is 4", side to side is 3.5". Sconce back plate is 4" round.

Is this appropriate for a sconce with a round back plate?

Yes, that's the correct box. It's a 4" octagon but measure it and you'll see it's less than 4".

 

[Wiredindallas]

The fixture says that the base is 4" which is what you have now, but it would be barely covered. I would get 3 1/4" octagon boxes.

 

[Let it Snow]

A 5" canopy on a light fixture is standard in the U.S.
Order different lights.

 

[Calson]

For a wall sconce a junction box is not required as the wires can be connected in the back of the sconce so there is sheetrock on one side and metal on the other side of the connection. If the electrician did not run enough wire they may have put in the electrical box to hide their mistake which is not uncommon.

Easiest fix is to buy a different fixture but this is one example of why electricians need adult supervision. With my recent bath remodel I handed the electrician the wiring plan that include the exact location of the boxes for receptacles and switches and the guy mounted them 6 inches too low. Fortunately I always have a carpenter follow the electrical workers to fix dry wall damage and so could get the boxes moved higher and then repair the new drywall with new new drywall.

 

[Jim Port]

For a wall sconce a junction box is not required as the wires can be connected in the back of the sconce so there is sheetrock on one side and metal on the other side of the connection. If the electrician did not run enough wire they may have put in the electrical box to hide their mistake which is not uncommon.

Easiest fix is to buy a different fixture but this is one example of why electricians need adult supervision. With my recent bath remodel I handed the electrician the wiring plan that include the exact location of the boxes for receptacles and switches and the guy mounted them 6 inches too low. Fortunately I always have a carpenter follow the electrical workers to fix dry wall damage and so could get the boxes moved higher and then repair the new drywall with new new drywall.

Your electrical advise about not needing a box is incorrect. The drywall cannot be one side. Installing the box was correct, not because the wire was too short.

 

[Let it Snow]

For a wall sconce a junction box is not required as the wires can be connected in the back of the sconce so there is sheetrock on one side and metal on the other side of the connection. If the electrician did not run enough wire they may have put in the electrical box to hide their mistake which is not uncommon.

What you are describing is a NEC violation.

 

[Wiredindallas]

As I stated, a 3 1/4" round box is redily available.

 

[Jim Port]

Arlington has 2 sconce boxes. Aifittings.com

 

[seharper]

There are two sizes of octagon box.

The obsolete 3-1/2" box is 3" across the flats and 3-1/2" across the diagonals. The screws are 2-3/4" apart.

The modern 4" octagon box is 3-1/2" across the flats (arrrrgh, right?) and 4" across the diagonals. The screws are 3-1/4" apart.

You certainly should not be installing any more of the obsolete 3-1/2" boxes.

The industry is lousy with adapter plates that get you from 3-1/4" screws to 2-3/4" screws. I bought a $7 fixture to replace a chandelier I sold, and it came with one.

 

[jacklynhydejr]

A 5" canopy on a light fixture is standard in the U.S.
Order different lights.

@Let it Snow This was the solution to sanity. New back plate is 5.75". Defeated, but moving on to my next problem: perfectly aligning all my kitchen/living room lights, drilling upwards and finding a joist.

 

[ivansj1026]

I'm looking to purchase this sconce, though to my dismay it appears to need a smaller outlet box than standard.

Bryant Sconce

https://circaskin.circalighting.com/media/pdf_uploads/IG_TOB2022PNWG.pdf

The electrician already put in 4" square junction boxes, though the walls are still open for the moment so I suppose they could be replaced. I'd rather not have to deal with my unpleasant electrician though, so I'm hoping there are options here for me.

Can this be addressed with some sort of universal mounting bracket?

I'm assuming the issue is the backplate on the sconce is smaller than the hole in the wall that would be left by the 4" junction box. I have a very tight space and really love this style. Any ideas would be most welcome.

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[Jim Port]

The amount of incorrect and stupid suggestions on this post are INSANE

Not sure what you are referring to, but this post is 2 years old.