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Hello Forum Folks,
We have a new addition with a roof designed with soffit vents and a ridge vent. Our builder laid the underlayment (tar paper looking stuff) over the plywood sheathing and then was on to another job when the roofers came to install. My husband and I hired the roofers directly (not sub-contracted by GC). A beautiful looking standing seam metal roof was put on our roof.

Turns out a year later, we have attic condensation issues. After poking around a bit, we found that the underlayment wasn't sliced before the metal roof and ridge vent cap was put into place. Here comes the blame game: contractor says it was the roofer's responsibility and the roofer's say that they didn't have instructions to do so and it is the contractors responsibility. We live in Vermont and there isn't a code that demands ridge venting. There certainly were visible soffits all around the house for the roofers to see upon giving us a quote and on installation day.

See attached photo of our house sometime before roofers arrived.
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I tend to side w/ our contractor. Would any roofer NOT slice the underlayment before installing a standing seam metal roof with ridge vent cap?

Thankful for forums like this,
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I assume you are looking for someone to come out and fix this without cost to you. It doesn't make sense for the contractor to do it. Unless you gave the roofer plans or documents stating he was to cut the ridge, I'd say you have to suck it up and pay them to come out again and fix it.
 

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Luckily we haven't finished the interior: the sheetrock closing off that attic space hasn't been taped yet. So, my contractor came back to fix the problem by removing sheetrock sections, getting up in there and slicing it open, then reapplying the sheetrock. I don't want to pay for that work to FIX said problem so I'm wondering for you all where typically does that responsibility lie? With me, the homeowner who hired contractor/roofer?
 

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Had the original contractor hired the roofer, the responsibility for the roof and any related issues should have fallen on the contractor and/or the roofer. But, in my albeit meaningless opinion, at the point at which you hired the roofer, independent of the original contractor, you and the roofer assumed responsibility for the roof and any related issues, and, while it would have been great if the contractor had pointed the issue out to you in advance, it does not make sense to me that the original contractor has any culpability in this particular matter. So, while the roofer should have addressed it properly, which would have been a simple task, unless he or she is willing to assume financial responsibility for the corrective actions, it seems like a somewhat costly lesson that you will have to chalk up to experience.
 

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"After poking around a bit, we found that the underlayment wasn't sliced before the metal roof and ridge vent cap was put into place."
The roofer put the vent on. They knew they were venting the ridge. They had to have known it had to be open if they were venting it. What more can I say.
 

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"After poking around a bit, we found that the underlayment wasn't sliced before the metal roof and ridge vent cap was put into place."
The roofer put the vent on. They knew they were venting the ridge. They had to have known it had to be open if they were venting it. What more can I say.
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You say the roofer's didn't have instructions to do so. You hired the roofer, therefore it is your responsibility to inform them of the ridge vent.

What confuses me is why the roofer's would do a roof and not ask you (acting as the GC) what kind of ventilation the house has.


I don't do standing seam steel. Does the ridge look the same whether it has a ridge vent or not? I imagine it is always vented to ventilate the underside of the steel itself, but I don't know for sure.
 

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If everyone wants to get technical about it I'm sure you can get into all the talk about "well, legally..." or "what did the contract say?" etc.
I don't work like that.
As a professional, when someone hires me it is my responsibility as an expert to do the job properly and to make sure everything is proper or at least inform the customer and give them the decision. They hired a professional and that person should have addressed the issue as part of the system. Some projects have a vented ridge assembly, some do not. But it's the roofer's responsibility to know this and address it properly. They may not have cut the ridge because they didn't install a vented ridge system to begin with so it isn't going to matter if the ridge is cut or not.
 

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If everyone wants to get technical about it I'm sure you can get into all the talk about "well, legally..." or "what did the contract say?" etc.
I don't work like that.
As a professional, when someone hires me it is my responsibility as an expert to do the job properly and to make sure everything is proper or at least inform the customer and give them the decision. They hired a professional and that person should have addressed the issue as part of the system. Some projects have a vented ridge assembly, some do not. But it's the roofer's responsibility to know this and address it properly. They may not have cut the ridge because they didn't install a vented ridge system to begin with so it isn't going to matter if the ridge is cut or not.
Hey, I agree with you, but.......

When the blame game starts, it always get's technical.

And I really didn't see anywhere where it said they hired a professional. Maybe, maybe not. The only thing we know is that the GC started the roof by papering it in and the homeowner hired another company to install the rest of the roof.....who wasn't informed of the entire roof system.

IMO, any "pro" would have asked about the ventilation. Someone hired as a sub, maybe not.
 

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MJ and OnB,
you're both right and make valid points. The homeowner obviously didn't hire a legit roofer. Surprises me that the GC didn't take care of providing a roofer. Why would the HO hire him and he doesn't take care of a simple but important part of the job? I would not hold him responsible in this case though, since he relinquished the responsibility to the HO. If the HO wanted to hire their own roofer, I just have to wonder why. Did they think they would save money and find somebody cheaper? If they did, sounds like they got what they paid for.
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I'm assuming the GC put the felt on (something the roofer would normally do) because he was either instructed to by the HO, or because he wanted to "seal" up the house due to weather or not knowing when the roofer would be there. In either case, the roofer could be liable for damages occured. However,without a written contract with cutting the felt detailed, you really don't have legal recourse. Even if you could prove the roofer did or did not do something to cause damage, the monetary value wouldn't be worth the time or trouble. Even in small claims court, they would stiff you on any money awarded.
 

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I hate to open another can of worms, but I guess it ought to asked now instead of later.
Did the GC damage the bug screen any? Did they even install the bug screen? :eek:
I didn't notice a bug screen when my head was up in the attic space while the GC was slicing underlayment that had drops of condensation on the inside. Hmmmm, bug screen -- I'll have to check that out tomorrow. I certainly could feel the air move as the holes were made.
 

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MJ and OnB,
The homeowner obviously didn't hire a legit roofer. Surprises me that the GC didn't take care of providing a roofer.
This roofer was certainly legit and had a good reputation. Our GC works a bit differently -- he has a circle of contractors that he recommends and we hire and pay the concrete guy, electrician, plumber, etc on our own. Certainly our GC and all other construction folks have been absolutely fabulous to work with and have been integrating well --- except for this little mishap.

I just found out this roofer has an ex-partner who is his ex exactly because of this type of work. Unfortunately they separated a couple years ago and both go by the same name !#[email protected]#[email protected]!!! This sloppy roofer covers the VT area with the business name and the other guy distinguishes himself as the New Hampshire guy w/ the same business name. Confusing, aye?

Lesson learned -- THANKS for your time and your posts!! :thumbup:
Jean
 
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