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I'm a plumber and always run into GC doing restricted trades plumbing, electrical ect.. How do they get away with it. What happens if they flood or burn a house down
 

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Why do they never schedule trades in the right order? As a flooring installer, everyone else should be done before we get there, but it never happens. I think that many of them just don't care.
 

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GC is a misnomer......
No formal training
No trade licenses

Just a guy who decides one day that GC would look "cool" on the side of his truck....


there...that oughta stir up the pool.......
 

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Ayuh,... Personally,... I don't need to pay union dues to know whether I'm capable of doin' a job or not...

I know many people whom are over qualified in many trades...
I also know many in the trades that don't know their rectum from a hole in the ground too...
While the Trades want everybody who isn't in it, to think that only their group is capable of doin' whatever trade they belong to,...
Fact is, that's Bullship...

If the Inspection passes, 'n everything is Up to code, it don't matter Who built it...

Donno 'bout the pool, but that oughta stir up the pond,...
 

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Ayuh,... Personally,... I don't need to pay union dues to know whether I'm capable of doin' a job or not...

I know many people whom are over qualified in many trades...
I also know many in the trades that don't know their rectum from a hole in the ground too...
While the Trades want everybody who isn't in it, to think that only their group is capable of doin' whatever trade they belong to,...
Fact is, that's Bullship...

If the Inspection passes, 'n everything is Up to code, it don't matter Who built it...

Donno 'bout the pool, but that oughta stir up the pond,...
Most of that is true, but many GCs are not capable of doing anything.
 

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GC is a misnomer......
No formal training
No trade licenses

In my State you have to pass a state exam to get a GC license. Having talked to people who have done it I'm under the impression that it's not trivial.

Not the same thing as having training or a license in a trade. But that doesn't seem to guarantee getting someone who knows what he's doing either.
 

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So if a plumber does the plumbing then you won't have leaks?
If an electrician wires a huose you won't have any problems?
I don't think so.
 

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some people feel all special with titles and labels when the rest of us don't give a flying you know what. if you somehow are brainwashed into thinking your certification or title is wholly and directly tied to your competence, you already failed.

if a gc can do it better for less, i'm a gonna hire him.
 

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some people feel all special with titles and labels when the rest of us don't give a flying you know what. if you somehow are brainwashed into thinking your certification or title is wholly and directly tied to your competence, you already failed.

if a gc can do it better for less, i'm a gonna hire him.
All fine and dandy, but isn't that a gamble, as the work would have to be completed to understand whether the GC was competent, the whole principal of certificates is to help ensure the person is competent prior to awarding a contract.

Notice I say HELP ensure, there are no garrantees, but it sure helps at least being certified is an indicator that there has been some training achieved.

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All fine and dandy, but isn't that a gamble, as the work would have to be completed to understand whether the GC was competent, the whole principal of certificates is to help ensure the person is competent prior to awarding a contract.

Notice I say HELP ensure, there are no garrantees, but it sure helps at least being certified is an indicator that there has been some training achieved.

Mark
for someone who knows nothing about any contractors in his/her area, yes. the title and cert is all you have to go on. however, i would NEVER hire a contractor solely based on that. i would spend a lot of time talking to people in my area, reading reviews etc. to get the REAL deal as to whether they are worth it or not.

dunno about your area, but word of mouth around here means a LOT more than flashy advertising, fancy trucks/equipment and certifications. that costs money, which goes directly to charging customers more.
 

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I may be mistaken but in Texas you just need to have insurance and you can be a GC right? If I am wrong please give details.
I am licensed, bonded, insured and pay a crap load out for taxes. I do not mind getting beat out of a job due to price if I BID AGAINST a licensed contractor.
I do mind if I bid and the job goes to a non state licensed person. City license costs $100 a year with no recoarse if they screw up the under bid job. State license cost for my license is $1,250 year + $100 each city + bonding + insurance + works comp + taxes + if I screw up the state comes after me.
As far as doing the work yourself, I charge more to fix the mistakes that the Homeowner or the non licensed person has done. It's like the insurance work I do, someone screws it up and I fix it:laughing::laughing:
As far as unions go it does not mean the person is qualified. Some of the worst plumbers I have had on jobs came from a union company.
 

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some people feel all special with titles and labels when the rest of us don't give a flying you know what. if you somehow are brainwashed into thinking your certification or title is wholly and directly tied to your competence, you already failed.

if a gc can do it better for less, i'm a gonna hire him.
Our dog had some relatively complicated surgery done last week. We had the choice between the regular ER Vet doing the surgery (they assured us that this was something that the Vet was qualified to preform) or having a board certified surgical specialist do it. The cost was $100 more for the specialist.


Obviously we chose the specialist
 

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Our dog had some relatively complicated surgery done last week. We had the choice between the regular ER Vet doing the surgery (they assured us that this was something that the Vet was qualified to preform) or having a board certified surgical specialist do it. The cost was $100 more for the specialist.


Obviously we chose the specialist
you are comparing apples to oranges my friend. you can't sue the pants off an HVAC company for lousy work and expect to get any or much of a settlement. surgeons, vets, etc. are held to a much higher standard and go through MUCH more intensive schooling than any contractor does. they also get paid a ton more, typically.
 

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Perhaps Nitro you should sit back and consider the masses here, you are trying to enforce your opinion on those of us that may have been burned already, or are fearful of getting burned by a, I know how to do that, Jack of all, master of none contractor.

And as for the sueing part, I am sure if a family was injured or hurt due to the work of a contractor, licensed, certified or other the law suits would be large and many.

I also know those who I would trust to do work for me, but I also have in the contracting business have been burned by uncertified sub contractors.

Say you have a GC doing some work and he brings in another guy/gal to do a portion of the work you hired him to do, and he tells you don't worry he knows what he/she is doing, how would you handle that? Would you let them work, or would you object?

I believe you are trying to make fit a general statement to very complex and most often bewildering business.

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i'm merely expressing my opinion as is everyone else on this thread. sorry if it appears like i'm forcing you to change yours. i do not think that comparing a surgeons credentials to a GC's credentials is valid in any way shape or form. if you think it is, fine.

just because i'm in the minority does not mean i have no voice and am not allowed to express my educated opinion.

listening to the masses often times is what gets you into trouble in the first place.

i do very much agree that it is a complex, confusing system that is difficult to navigate and everyone has their individual experiences that lead to their opinions. i'm a believer in hard work...lots of blood, sweat and tears. let the work speak for itself and your reputation will follow.
 

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You are in no way influencing me and I to, am expressing my opinion.

I did ask a couple of questions of you which I just don't see answers for, but thats ok, we are, who we are and thats what makes us human.

Mark
 

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i do very much agree that it is a complex, confusing system that is difficult to navigate and everyone has their individual experiences that lead to their opinions. i'm a believer in hard work...lots of blood, sweat and tears. let the work speak for itself and your reputation will follow.
I take it from this response that you are or are attempting to be a GC, with no licenses, certificates just your hard work and name.

All fine and I wish you luck, but some day you will find that with the proper certificates and licenses more doors will open up for you, more opportunities to put all that blood, sweat and tears into.

Mark
 

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What does a vet scenario have anything to do with a GC? I have never met a Vet that had a lawsuit against them but I have known a lot of good GC's that have had a mediator by the state. My experience with vets is not all that great just like doctors. I know people that have had a bad surgery and they can not do anything about it. I also know a GC that had a drywall crack at the angle in a vaulted ceiling (after 3 years) and the homeowner would not settle for it being patched so he re-did the ceiling.​
 
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