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New house going up behind mine.
Don't want to see my new neighbor getting shafted.


I really believe I'm seeing the valley flashing on top of the shingles. Or are them some perfectly straight cut shingles on top of the flashing? Or is on top of shingles an acceptable method? Second pic looks like it's stopping short.



Anything wrong with the way the shingles are being started in the last pic? Something just looks so wrong.....
 

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I think your eyes.:smile: I see some lifted edges of the shingles and no nail heads on the valley flashing? Image 3 is strange.
Although image 1, 9 oclock of the top piece of valley flashing, I think I'm seeing straight joint and maybe missing top layer?



Think, however, before you make it very awkward between the house owner and the contractor. You may have to become an expert witness.
 

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Those two squares missing shingles are where they cut out squares of decking to tie their ropes off onto the trusses. I'm sure they had to knick the truss with their saws taking out the squares.


So, my eyes are fine. Flashing on top. What the?


The third pic, you can see the jagged edge of membrane on the right edge of the shingles. eewww......


They actually used membrane but pieces, bits???seams...






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I think your eyes.:smile: I see some lifted edges of the shingles and no nail heads on the valley flashing? Image 3 is strange.
Although image 1, 9 oclock of the top piece of valley flashing, I think I'm seeing straight joint and maybe missing top layer?



Think, however, before you make it very awkward between the house owner and the contractor. You may have to become an expert witness.



Witness? No problem there. Wrongs deserve to be righted. Let me get changed into my uniform...it's the kind where the underwear go on the outside, ha....






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Why would they stop the valley flashing before the edge of the shingles?
Since when do you start shingling a roof in the middle?
Even that plumbing vent pipe looks to short to me.
Who's idea was it to start the starter strip about 4" away from the outside edge of the roof?
No drip edging?
I always make sure the underlayment wraps over the outside edges where the two different roofs meet.
There's no code required Storm and Ice Shield required in your area?
Where's the real building inspector when all this poop is going on?
 

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Why would they stop the valley flashing before the edge of the shingles? That's what I was wondering, and why on top? Being on top, sure will be easy to add a little bit at the end, ha....


Since when do you start shingling a roof in the middle? ya, right?


Even that plumbing vent pipe looks to short to me. I just seen the boots, no stacks yet.


Who's idea was it to start the starter strip about 4" away from the outside edge of the roof? no idea.



No drip edging? nope.


I always make sure the underlayment wraps over the outside edges where the two different roofs meet. Easy enough to do if you're not a monkey...


There's no code required Storm and Ice Shield required in your area? I believe it's 3' from the edge up. These guys have it everywhere, but it all shredded and bits and added pieces...wow....


Where's the real building inspector when all this poop is going on? he doesn't come to check shingles here.

Thanks.

My new neighbor's house. I really gotta get his phone number.

I will bring your comments to his attention when he comes around.
Just hope he doesn't pay these clowns before I see him.
 

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Flashing should be on all surfaces but maybe can't be seen. I like to see flashing but many roofs seem to have the final row of shingles covering the metal sheets. You can't assume there's no flashing with those photos.
 

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The row of shingles before the valley metal is common here, its lazy but newcon guys in Ontario are paid by the bundle.
Racking is again,lazy stuff typical on new work here.
The shingle work wont leak unless theres something I cant see, paper in bits and pieces means nothing.
Ontario code doesnt require paper except at the bottom, and only up to 8/12.
The roofing work isnt great, or anything outstandingly awful.
 

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The row of shingles before the valley metal is common here, its lazy but newcon guys in Ontario are paid by the bundle.
Racking is again,lazy stuff typical on new work here.
The shingle work wont leak unless theres something I cant see, paper in bits and pieces means nothing.
Ontario code doesnt require paper except at the bottom, and only up to 8/12.
The roofing work isnt great, or anything outstandingly awful.

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How about the valley flashing on top of the shingles?


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They install a row or 2 of closed or woven valleys,so they dont need to cut the metal.
Very common, little lazy but if you ever need to clean your eaves it's kinda nice.

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So, you're saying they wove them together and stuck a flashing on top?
Why?

How does this help clean your eaves?
 
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