Home gas filling station
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I doubt you will get a station to deliver bulk fuel to a residential property within a city. Plus, why would you want that much bulk fuel. It would cost you a fortune to stabilize that much fuel since fuel starts to go back within a couple months of purchase.
Then there's the insurance issue, fire and biohazzard regulations, and of course the city bylaws.
In the end, it won't save you any money since bulk discounts are only for registered businesses or farmers.
Then there's the insurance issue, fire and biohazzard regulations, and of course the city bylaws.
In the end, it won't save you any money since bulk discounts are only for registered businesses or farmers.
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What I would do is just fill a lot of gas cans when the price is low and store those. You might even be able to get big truck mounted ones. You can get manual pumps that will pump the gas out and into your car. At least that way you don't have a big tank or any potential environmental issue, just a lot of gas cans, which is not really illegal as long as they are properly stored.
If you're near the border you could also fill up at a US gas station, though I wonder if the border nazis would even allow that.
If you're near the border you could also fill up at a US gas station, though I wonder if the border nazis would even allow that.
Customs people are not all nazis and would hopefully pay attention to a truckload of filled gas cans and especially so if you were carrying high nitrogen fertilizer with them. :laughing:You would probably need a permit to carry that much fuel but maybe not.
I am not sure I would want a lot of gasoline stored on my personal residential property in any form unless it is a real inconvenience for you to fuel vehicles?
Not to sound cynical but it amazes me how fast the auto industry suddenly had working production electric cars. I hope I see hydrogen car options in short order also and if the fuel industries can be held away from stalling progress, on demand hydrogen production at home from natural gas is certainly doable. I would hold out..
Off course in the US we are still paying through the nose for the scam called Ethanol (takes much more energy than it yields and we pay the farm subsidies). In addition to costing a fortune to produce it threatens our fresh water supplies should something go wrong.
Off course in the US we are still paying through the nose for the scam called Ethanol (takes much more energy than it yields and we pay the farm subsidies). In addition to costing a fortune to produce it threatens our fresh water supplies should something go wrong.
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Yep it's sad. We hear about all these great things, but never see them. I blame patents, and other political BS. The oil industry basically just comes by and patents everything then nobody is allowed to use it, while the government adds laws and regulations to make it harder/impossible.
To me hydrogen would be the best option. While batteries are great they are big, heavy and don't have that much energy compared to a combustible. hydrogen is the best of both worlds, you can make it using electricity, and it's green. To fuel the car you add water and plug it in.
Not sure I am willing to throw in the towel on copyrights, trademarks and patents just yet (since some provide me a royalty income) but the latter have become so expensive the little person cannot afford them. And you are right, large companies do grab them just to keep people from doing more responsible things and then hold us all hostage. And you have to seek patent protection internationally these days. When all is done, the patents held by us commoners are only as good as our ability to litigate for the protection they provide.
Indeed hydrogen can be separated fairly easily with electricity or a bit faster with a bit of simple chemistry that might be some unit attached to a homeowner's natural gas supply. I think Honda or Toyota demonstrated a home unit a few years ago. The argument is such systems are not fast enough to be commercially viable. We are stuck in the old service station mentality in this regard. Who cares of it takes all night at home to produce enough hydrogen to fuel two personal vehicles?
And don't give up on electric just yet. There is some really interesting research with imminent application for building nano type storage into the exo-skeleton of a car.
Of course the real deal discussions have to center around our need for speed, creature comfort and so forth in what we drive? Do we really need a car that will do 0-60 in seconds or would something highly efficient with a nice cruising speed suffice---especially around town with 25-35mph posted limits anyhow?
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Hydrogen would be the best alternative, but people right now are complaining about the $41,500 CAN for a Chevy Volt, what the heck are they going to say about paying $60,000+ for a tin can on 4 wheels that uses hydrogen? The technology for hydrogen right now is extremely expensive. As more companies start to develop it, it will come down. Just like the hybrids and electric cars have over the last few years. It cost GM over $60,000 per vehicle just to equip the buses in California with the hybrid system 12 yrs ago to test the techonolgy, now they've put it into a half ton for about $7000.
Technology like this just doesn't pop up and work right away and pow, its in a vehicle. Hydrogen isn't like propane where you just retrofit some hoses, install a tank and regulator, and "hey, my vehicle runs on propane". It takes time to develop how the system works, then how to SAFELY make it work in a vehicle, and then develop a way to fit it into a vehicle all the while making sure the vehicle will pass all safety regulations when done. Plus, then you have to make sure the vehicle has all the "conveniences of home" that people want in their vehicles today.
Technology like this just doesn't pop up and work right away and pow, its in a vehicle. Hydrogen isn't like propane where you just retrofit some hoses, install a tank and regulator, and "hey, my vehicle runs on propane". It takes time to develop how the system works, then how to SAFELY make it work in a vehicle, and then develop a way to fit it into a vehicle all the while making sure the vehicle will pass all safety regulations when done. Plus, then you have to make sure the vehicle has all the "conveniences of home" that people want in their vehicles today.
Hydrogen is the Big Lie. It's the lightest element, and difficult to store in quantities sufficient to give a vehicle the sort of range people have come to expect today.
The biggest advances in the coming years will be from regular ole internal combustion engines and not some fancy new engine tech.
The biggest advances in the coming years will be from regular ole internal combustion engines and not some fancy new engine tech.
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fast? It would appear is has taken 114 years from the first prototype electric car to offer a production level electric car.
what's even worse about the ethanol issue; it removes the grain from the food products industry which causes increases in the cost of products made using corn.
And causes farms to grow nothing but low grade corn with no crop rotation whatsoever. The worst is if we really wanted to produce Ethanol as a fuel source, processing corn tops the list of the worst ways to approach it all.
Most of the corn grown where I lived in Central Illinois WAS earmarked for breakfast cereal, corn chips to go with salsa and so forth. Very little sweet corn is grown in the US anymore. We still produce a lot of animal feeds but most farmers had to become Ethanol crazed. It is where the subsidies and money hide.
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