[jramey]

Hello All,
I originally posted this in the General discussion forum. I'm thinking it may be a better fit here. I am wanting to add a screened in porch and I am having issues as to what will happen at the corner intersection indicated by the circle in the image. I'm not sure what should happen when the new roof juts out over the existing one. You will see two possible roofs I am considering, the one with the blue arrow is one possibility, this would be a metal roof. The other is the pink line directly above. Either way presents an issue where the circle is in the image. Does anyone have any insight as to what to do here?

As you can see in the images, the new porch would extend out about 4 feet and I would build this are so that deckboards sit fluch with the cement on the patio. I would then carpet it with an outdoor carpet.

 

[Nealtw]

What are the windows above this addition, bathroom, bedroom?

 

[jramey]

What are the windows above this addition, bathroom, bedroom?

Hi Nealtw, yes the left is bedroom and the right is restroom, it's a 4 square built in 1915. The window on first floor in right of photo is the corner of out kitchen.
Any ideas?

 

[Nealtw]

Hi Nealtw, yes the left is bedroom and the right is restroom, it's a 4 square built in 1915. The window on first floor in right of photo is the corner of out kitchen.
Any ideas?

At fist look would be another hip or gable roof with a saddle slope between them.
You could better slopes if you moved the bedroom window and made the bathroom window much smaller.

 

[jramey]

At fist look would be another hip or gable roof with a saddle slope between them.
You could better slopes if you moved the bedroom window and made the bathroom window much smaller.

Thanks NEaltw! Those diagrams are helpful. I am atatching another photo with a rough sketch if that will further help to see how I want the roof to come out past that point. I'd hate to move windows... may be a it beyondy my skillset:smile:

 

[Nealtw]

Thanks NEaltw! Those diagrams are helpful. I am atatching another photo with a rough sketch if that will further help to see how I want the roof to come out past that point. I'd hate to move windows... may be a it beyondy my skillset:smile:

Silly, nothing is beyond your skill set just you imagination. :wink2:
From the side, it might look like this.

 

[jramey]

Silly, nothing is beyond your skill set just you imagination. :wink2:
From the side, it might look like this.

Thanks for that diagram. I am I attempted to do a quick mock up and I'm still a bit confused. Is this image kind of what you are sayin? I know that the picture doesn't include a saddle slope nut I'm not quite sure where it would go. Would it bridge the are in the red circle?

 

[Nealtw]

Thanks for that diagram. I am I attempted to do a quick mock up and I'm still a bit confused. Is this image kind of what you are sayin? I know that the picture doesn't include a saddle slope nut I'm not quite sure where it would go. Would it bridge the are in the red circle?


All my extended black line are level

 

[Nealtw]

So from above you would like just cut the tails off the old roof and build the rafters and ceiling or install trusses.
And just build the saddle on top to change the slope between the peaks.

 

[jramey]

So from above you would like just cut the tails off the old roof and build the rafters and ceiling or install trusses.
And just build the saddle on top to change the slope between the peaks.

I have drawn up a very rough sketch and I have a few questions about a ridge beam. Also, could I just leave the tails on the existing roof ?

 

[Nealtw]

You would build the new wall the same height as the the other bump out so the new ceiling would sit in those two wall and you don't need a ridge beam, just a ridge board.
You would need a header to extend the old bump out wall and a longer one in the new wall over the door way out to the corner.

That would leave the old tails lower than the ceiling.

 

[jramey]

You would build the new wall the same height as the the other bump out so the new ceiling would sit in those two wall and you don't need a ridge beam, just a ridge board.
You would need a header to extend the old bump out wall and a longer one in the new wall over the door way out to the corner.


That would leave the old tails lower than the ceiling.

Thanks Nealtw. Would the header be where the pink line is in the picture? Ignore the other stuff, i couldn't erase it properly. Sorry for all the questions, just trying to get enough information before I start,so I don't screw something up!

 

[Nealtw]

Thanks Nealtw. Would the header be where the pink line is in the picture? Ignore the other stuff, i couldn't erase it properly. Sorry for all the questions, just trying to get enough information before I start,so I don't screw something up!

Light green, deck hung off posts and ledger at the brick ( assuming there is concrete behind the brick)



dark green posts sitting on 2 piers and the concrete deck

black beam on the left and header on the right

red ceiling joists sitting on top of the old bump out wall

rafters also sit on the beam and the old bump out wall

The header on the right will be higher a little because the header is not lined up with the wall.

 

[jramey]

Light green, deck hung off posts and ledger at the brick ( assuming there is concrete behind the brick)


dark green posts sitting on 2 piers and the concrete deck

black beam on the left and header on the right

red ceiling joists sitting on top of the old bump out wall

rafters also sit on the beam and the old bump out wall

The header on the right will be higher a little because the header is not lined up with the wall.

Thanks Neal, very helpful. Just wanted to check on a few more details. You metioned that the header on right would need to be a bit higher. Does this mean that the head the ceiling hoists would all slope slightly towards the stairs? Also, on the second green beam you drew on the left, does that connect to concrete pation and then go through the bottom of the vent?

 

[Nealtw]

Thanks Neal, very helpful. Just wanted to check on a few more details. You metioned that the header on right would need to be a bit higher. Does this mean that the head the ceiling hoists would all slope slightly towards the stairs? Also, on the second green beam you drew on the left, does that connect to concrete pation and then go through the bottom of the vent?

The joists and rafters sit in top of the wall, which is higher than the tails of the other rafters so those tails will be gone, flush with the wall.
Yeah the header can be the right height for the ceiling with blocks between for the rafters, actuall the header on the right would just be the top of the wall.

It would be better if it lined up with the wall but you have downspout pipe there so you have to cut a beam pocket into the house. And you would still have the pipe coming up under the wall.

Is there a foundation behind the brick at the bottom of the deck? It looks like it has to be there.

 

[jramey]

The joists and rafters sit in top of the wall, which is higher than the tails of the other rafters so those tails will be gone, flush with the wall.
Yeah the header can be the right height for the ceiling with blocks between for the rafters, actuall the header on the right would just be the top of the wall.

It would be better if it lined up with the wall but you have downspout pipe there so you have to cut a beam pocket into the house. And you would still have the pipe coming up under the wall.

Is there a foundation behind the brick at the bottom of the deck? It looks like it has to be there.

Thanks again Neal. I am atatching an image of what I thnk you mean. Hopefully I've interpreted it correctly.The red line would be the fluch cut line. If i need to cut the tails, this is the part that is most intimidatint to me, as it seems there may be no turning back once I do this.Does this look right to you from the front view? Please ignore the otehr words on the image, it's just an image I googled.
Thanks!

 

[Nealtw]

Thanks again Neal. I am atatching an image of what I thnk you mean. Hopefully I've interpreted it correctly.The red line would be the fluch cut line. If i need to cut the tails, this is the part that is most intimidatint to me, as it seems there may be no turning back once I do this.Does this look right to you from the front view? Please ignore the otehr words on the image, it's just an image I googled.
Thanks!

Yes your new rafters and ceiling joist with share the wall with the ceiling and rafters with the bump out that is there now.

If you were to change your mind the tails can be replaced. :wink2:

 

[ron45]

Maybe.?