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My central air condenser needs to be replaced this year and I'm really considering replacing it with an air source heat pump. Since I have a large grid tied solar array I figured I could use the heat pump to heat the house for a number of months in the winter.

I'm just wondering,,,,how well do these work in Iowas climate. I would like to hear feedback from folks that actually have these pumps or have experience with them.

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I live in Southeastern MA. I have a grid tie solar array as well. This past year I had a Lennox XP25 heat pump and SLP98V furnace installed. Heat pump is variable capacity and furnace is modulating. The winter has been mild here. I started the winter with a 2 Mwh credit. I let the heat pump run without limits. It's rated to -5 degrees. We did get some really cold days and it performed great. The issue I ran into was the lack of sun and short days. I wasn't making enough power to offset the electricity used by the HP so it ate the credit quickly. I make 300 kWh in 5 days during the summer. I made 370 the entire month of December.

I ended up setting a limit so the heat pump runs over 35 degrees and the furnace handles anything less.

Bottom line is it will work but the lack of sun will affect your results.
 

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I live in Southeastern MA. I have a grid tie solar array as well. This past year I had a Lennox XP25 heat pump and SLP98V furnace installed. Heat pump is variable capacity and furnace is modulating. The winter has been mild here. I started the winter with a 2 Mwh credit. I let the heat pump run without limits. It's rated to -5 degrees. We did get some really cold days and it performed great. The issue I ran into was the lack of sun and short days. I wasn't making enough power to offset the electricity used by the HP so it ate the credit quickly. I make 300 kWh in 5 days during the summer. I made 370 the entire month of December.

I ended up setting a limit so the heat pump runs over 35 degrees and the furnace handles anything less.

Bottom line is it will work but the lack of sun will affect your results.
We have had a very mild winter here also. How warm is the "heat" with the heat pump? I've been told it is a much cooler heat then a gas fired furnace.
 

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I haven't measured the temp but it is cooler than a furnace. It took some adjustment but i like it better than the furnace. When it's mild out the temp is cooler since the load is less. When it's cold, the air is very warm, almost furnace temp.

The blower does run faster in heat pump mode. I think it has to do with efficiency.
 

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I'm in the mtns of AZ, a bit warmer than Iowa I would guess. Highs during the day about 45, overnight lows about 25.

I'm trying to conserve my expensive oak firewood and use that only on very cold nights, so I'm using the heat pump during the day.

I just happened to measure the temp of my heat pump output today with a new digital temperature gun I got from Harbor for $15. Cool little toy.

Anyway, it was 40 degrees outside. After about 5 minutes warm-up, my heat pump was blowing 85-88 degrees.

This is a 15-20 year old heat pump unit so I would expect a newer unit to be more efficient.

Hope this helps.
 

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I'm in the mtns of AZ, a bit warmer than Iowa I would guess. Highs during the day about 45, overnight lows about 25.

I'm trying to conserve my expensive oak firewood and use that only on very cold nights, so I'm using the heat pump during the day.

I just happened to measure the temp of my heat pump output today with a new digital temperature gun I got from Harbor for $15. Cool little toy.

Anyway, it was 40 degrees outside. After about 5 minutes warm-up, my heat pump was blowing 85-88 degrees.

This is a 15-20 year old heat pump unit so I would expect a newer unit to be more efficient.

Hope this helps.
Thanks for the reply. I would say you're a bit warmer then Iowa right now. Today our high was 6 degrees :smile:
 

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Heatpump performance will depend on how the unit is sized relative to the needs of the house, along with outdoor temps.

The cooler it is out the less heat the unit will put it. For air temperature, likely 15 to 30F warmer than return air vs the 40-60ish you would get out of a modern gas furnace.

The heatpump by design moves more air than a furnace relative to heating capacity.

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Questions before proceeding with this project:

1. How is the place heated now? Electric, gas, propane, etc.

2. What is the cost per delivered kwh, therm or otherwise

3. How much will this heatpump retrofit cost? is there a roi? Are you looking at heatpump just because you have an array?

Generally heating is an inefficient way to use it. Power produced from PV is very expensive power, you just payed for it all in one go. Heating even with a heatpump is not an efficient use at all.

Your typical 3 ton heatpump, 14 seer/8 hspf may draw 2.5-3.5kw provide and run for 6-24 hours per day depending on how cold it is. The production from pv won't offset this unless there's a huge array. It may be better to keep the credit accumulated and use it during the a/c season.

Straight electric would be far worse, whopping 10.6kw being consumed to supply the same amount of heat as a 3 ton hp at 47f outdoor.

4. What configuration is best?

Heatpumps can be installed as retrofit on top of fossil fueled furnace (dual fuel) or as all electric, with the backup heat consuming copious amounts of electricity when the heatpump can't keep up or when its just plain too cold to get much heat out of it.

With the all electric you get to run the heatpump below the balance point, taking advantage of potentially cheap heat (if you have a low rate like 5 cents per kwh) but if much backup heat is needed, you could be better off with dual fuel.

Depends on costs, rates, balance points. A load calculation needs to be done and heat output of a heatpump compared with heat loss.

Got to compare costs at various temps.
 

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I live in Southeastern MA. I have a grid tie solar array as well. This past year I had a Lennox XP25 heat pump and SLP98V furnace installed. Heat pump is variable capacity and furnace is modulating. The winter has been mild here. I started the winter with a 2 Mwh credit. I let the heat pump run without limits. It's rated to -5 degrees. We did get some really cold days and it performed great. The issue I ran into was the lack of sun and short days. I wasn't making enough power to offset the electricity used by the HP so it ate the credit quickly. I make 300 kWh in 5 days during the summer. I made 370 the entire month of December.

I ended up setting a limit so the heat pump runs over 35 degrees and the furnace handles anything less.

Bottom line is it will work but the lack of sun will affect your results.

Post your electric rate, and LP price. While it used up your credits. It may still be cheaper to use the heat pump then your LP.

Figuring out which is better for you, may help the OP in his decision.
 

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Not many if any heat pumps will pump warm air that cold. :smile:
York has a hot heat pump feature. It will slow the blower to keep the air temp up. Doing so does reduce efficiency though. But many people don't mind a little loss in efficiency to keep the air temp up.
 

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My central air condenser needs to be replaced this year and I'm really considering replacing it with an air source heat pump. Since I have a large grid tied solar array I figured I could use the heat pump to heat the house for a number of months in the winter.

I'm just wondering,,,,how well do these work in Iowas climate. I would like to hear feedback from folks that actually have these pumps or have experience with them.

Thanks
Bob
Are you just replacing the outdoor unit? Installing a heat pump may require modification or replacement of the indoor cool as well.
Heat pumps work well, even in cold climates. Providing they are sized and set up properly.
 

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My central air condenser needs to be replaced this year and I'm really considering replacing it with an air source heat pump. Since I have a large grid tied solar array I figured I could use the heat pump to heat the house for a number of months in the winter.

I'm just wondering,,,,how well do these work in Iowas climate. I would like to hear feedback from folks that actually have these pumps or have experience with them.

Thanks
Bob
It depends on a lot of different things... price of electricity compared to other heat sources... yadda, yadda, but I just did a heat pump and I'm in Manitoba (Canada) and our temps are comparable to Alaska... we can go down to -40, sometimes more. Obviously a heat pump won't work to that temperature, but I can get down to about -12 before I have to switch over to heat strips. The heat pump works well down to about -1 or -2 at which point I start subsidizing with one 5 kw heat strip. That will get me down to about -12 before it no longer become cost effective to run the compressor anymore. This is the first season on a heat pump (compared to regular electric heat) and in crunching the number I figure I've saved about 400 to 500 on the heating bill so far... a pretty big pay off.

Now I did oversize my heat pump (Winter heating requirements are always greater then Summer cooling requirements) and that can get you into trouble with humidity removal in the Summer time. I went with a multi stage heat pump so I could scale down its btu output during the Summer. Overall, the whole thing is working out much better than expected so far.
 

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I'm just wondering,,,,how well do these work in Iowas climate. I would like to hear feedback from folks that actually have these pumps or have experience with them.

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Iowa, most of it was recently re-rated USDA zone 5. I am in zone 6 and first time user of a heat pump. So everything I am going to say is as a first time user.

I've been in a lot of homes where the hp blows cold air all the time. I had some reservations. It was 9 F yesterday morning and the days high was 18 F, the hp was still blowing warm air without the use use of aux heat. It ran most of the day but it maintained the level.

My HVAC guy did a really good job insulating the trunks both warm and return where they exist in unheated spaces. We met the 2015 standards. He sealed all connections and made sure all boots were wrapped.

I'm giving him the credit for this being the first hp I have ever felt blow warm air when it got cold. We just got the cold. December was above average temps. I spent almost $300 to heat this house with BB heaters last year's really cold billing cycle and won't have a comparable bill until the next one.

I don't know at what temp the hp turns off and the 1st stage of the aux kicks in. I know stage 1 kicks in at 2 degrees below the set point so playing with the thermostat or setting it back probably isn't a smart thing to do.

Thus far for my first ever hp, I am fairly well impressed. There is very little electric usage in this house other than hot water and heat. I can throw some KWH info at you if you want it.
 

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Post your electric rate, and LP price. While it used up your credits. It may still be cheaper to use the heat pump then your LP.

Figuring out which is better for you, may help the OP in his decision.
I wasn't clear. I also have natural gas. When I planned my solar array, I had extra capacity built in so I would build a credit for the heat pump. With the solar incentives in MA and the tax credits, the system pays for itself. The bill savings is gravy.

My electric rate, all in is 22 cents/kWh.
Nat gas recently dropped to $1.06/therm down from an average of $1.40/therm

My system also has a feature to slow the blower down when in heat pump mode to increase comfort.
 

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I've been in a lot of homes where the hp blows cold air all the time.
They shouldn't (except maybe in defrost) and if they are there is a problem. The air is never hot like heat strips or a gas furnace, but it should never be "cold" either. Mine blows anywhere between 79 and 100 depending on the outdoor temp. If it is "cold" you either have mechanical issues, wrong blower speed, low refrigerant, or it was sized wrong.
 

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When the performance isn't good or changes the charge should always be checked. Can get a benchmark for performance and compare; if the split changes in the same conditions, you know there's a problem.
 

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I wasn't clear. I also have natural gas. When I planned my solar array, I had extra capacity built in so I would build a credit for the heat pump. With the solar incentives in MA and the tax credits, the system pays for itself. The bill savings is gravy.

My electric rate, all in is 22 cents/kWh.
Nat gas recently dropped to $1.06/therm down from an average of $1.40/therm

My system also has a feature to slow the blower down when in heat pump mode to increase comfort.
22 cents a KWH, OUCH.

Your heat pump would need to operate at a COP of 4.86 to be as cheap as an 80% nat gas furnace.
 
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Forget the heatpump, continue burning gas.

To save on heating bills you have to cut heat loss if possible or get a more efficient furnace is current one is under 90%. Replacing a working 80% 'er isn't worth the money just to save case.

Wonder why your rate is so high, this shows 10c average for your state: http://www.electricitylocal.com/states/iowa/
 

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Forget the heatpump, continue burning gas.

To save on heating bills you have to cut heat loss if possible or get a more efficient furnace is current one is under 90%. Replacing a working 80% 'er isn't worth the money just to save case.

Wonder why your rate is so high, this shows 10c average for your state: http://www.electricitylocal.com/states/iowa/

Now add in all the other cost. Transmission, taxes, etc.
 
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