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A friend of ours had her hot water tank serviced and the plumber explained that to be up to code she needed to add a sprinkler head (because the tank is too close to a wall without sheetrock) and a Floodmaster for the drain pan. I agree with the other code upgrades that he mentioned, like the expansion tank and better ventilation. However, I have yet to come across codes like this and I do check codes regularly. This may simply be a city code, but seems excessive to me. Anybody have these codes where they live? Thank you.

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A friend of ours had her hot water tank serviced and the plumber explained that to be up to code she needed to add a sprinkler head (because the tank is too close to a wall without sheetrock) and a Floodmaster for the drain pan. I agree with the other code upgrades that he mentioned, like the expansion tank and better ventilation. However, I have yet to come across codes like this and I do check codes regularly. This may simply be a city code, but seems excessive to me. Anybody have these codes where they live? Thank you.

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Did your plumber pull a permit for the job?

Call your local building department and ask.
 

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I don't know if he pulled a permit, but will ask her to call the building department. Unfortunately, it seems the wheels were already turning when I heard of this. I guess he was starting the job this afternoon.
 

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He should be fired tonight. There is no need for a remove and replace of an existing appliance which was installed as per an earlier code to meet todays code. A remove and replace only needs to meet the codes of the original installation.
 

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He should be fired tonight. There is no need for a remove and replace of an existing appliance which was installed as per an earlier code to meet todays code. A remove and replace only needs to meet the codes of the original installation.

I didn't mention this, because I haven't seen what the gas line is, but he also said that needed to be upgraded too. My house was built in the 50's and I have iron pipes for natural gas...her house is probably around the same age if not newer.
 

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Few localities require a permit for a water tank replacement
Nashua NH requires a permit and a licensed gas fitter to install hot water heaters. Actually, you can't even buy a hot water heater fitted for gas without being licensed...tried that. Merrimack isn't but a stones throw from here, so my guess is they have the same ordinance.
 

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Nashua NH requires a permit and a licensed gas fitter to install hot water heaters. Actually, you can't even buy a hot water heater fitted for gas without being licensed...tried that. Merrimack isn't but a stones throw from here, so my guess is they have the same ordinance.
Idaho and Washington require permits for water heaters as well although a lot are installed without.
My city also now requires carbon monoxide detectors for WH replacements inside a home, and expansion tanks, and pans, and........... no wonder permits aren't pulled.

In your case- look for a new plumber
 

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Idaho and Washington require permits for water heaters as well although a lot are installed without.
My city also now requires carbon monoxide detectors for WH replacements inside a home, and expansion tanks, and pans, and........... no wonder permits aren't pulled.

In your case- look for a new plumber
I always suggest the basics: pans, CO detector, expansion tank, proper shut offs, ventilation...we paid around $1200 2 years ago when ours went and that was a full upgrade to code, expansion tank included. I'm most concerned about our friend getting ripped off.
 

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Idaho and Washington require permits for water heaters as well although a lot are installed without.
My city also now requires carbon monoxide detectors for WH replacements inside a home, and expansion tanks, and pans, and........... no wonder permits aren't pulled.

In your case- look for a new plumber
Do you have a citation for your claim about Washington?

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Plumbing fixtures, including water heaters, do not require a permit when replacing like for like.
Snohomish County (Washington State USA) FAQ's Planning and Development Services

http://www.co.snohomish.wa.us/documents/Departments/pds/building/residential/50quest0706.pdf

All other locations in Washington that I am aware of in my not insubstantial career are similar. But I sure would like to see the RCW your quoting.
 

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Do you have a citation for your claim about Washington?

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Snohomish County (Washington State USA) FAQ's Planning and Development Services

http://www.co.snohomish.wa.us/documents/Departments/pds/building/residential/50quest0706.pdf

All other locations in Washington that I am aware of in my not insubstantial career are similar. But I sure would like to see the RCW your quoting.
How about we pay attention to the task on hand...we don't need a pissing contest here. codes change from state to state, county to county, city to city. All follow the IRC or IBC as a base and build off that as they see fit.
 

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Do you have a citation for your claim about Washington?

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Snohomish County (Washington State USA) FAQ's Planning and Development Services

http://www.co.snohomish.wa.us/documents/Departments/pds/building/residential/50quest0706.pdf

All other locations in Washington that I am aware of in my not insubstantial career are similar. But I sure would like to see the RCW your quoting.
I know where Snohomish Co is. I used to live in Bothell :)
I don't have in front of me a code reference except that the UPC code book ly says (paraphrased) "any fixture replacement requires a permit". Washington uses UPC. Of course- cities, counties, etc. can amend it.

a couple years ago the company I was with had installed 3 gas water heaters in an apt. complex over the course of a year. They had to go back and pull permits, pay double fee and have them inspected. The property manager had also installed some electric WH's He too was fined-- City of Spokane WA
Oh, and 1 of the gas heaters failed due to bonding issues
 

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How about we pay attention to the task on hand...we don't need a pissing contest here. codes change from state to state, county to county, city to city. All follow the IRC or IBC as a base and build off that as they see fit.
I was on task. I was questioning the need for the plumber to bring it to modern code. I don't think the HO is compelled to do so legally
 

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I was on task. I was questioning the need for the plumber to bring it to modern code. I don't think the HO is compelled to do so legally
And I pretty much agree. some code updates should be enforced. others not so much.
I'll say it again, perhaps another plumber is needed.
There are people out there that attempt to upsell.....
 

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I am so glad what my area does not require this nonsense.

Now getting back on topic. The so called repair person and company should be reported to your state AG, for trying to take advantage of the customer, due to they saw her as an illinformed female, even though it appears that she did not take one bit of their story as the truth.

I bet if you did some digging, you may find this so called repair person new in the industry. A good friend of ours went through a ASE mechanic of a very old family car repair business in our town, trying to pull the scam of "You need a new air filter, this one is black and clogged, you have some severe leaks" attempt.

That person is no longer an employee of this business, since the owner does not run their company that way.
 

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I was mainly warning that the "bring it to code" spiel is mostly used by tradesmen needing additional work and home inspectors.
Actually more by non-licensed people in the trade, new people staring, those that are just pure scum.

They usually do not last long after word gets out. In my town of even 117k, with a county populace of close to 200k, the scam artists do not get away with it, and the companies put out the fire from the repercussion real quick.
 

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I was mainly warning that the "bring it to code" spiel is mostly used by tradesmen needing additional work and home inspectors.

Now, now....I'm a licensed Home Inspector in NH (thus checking codes constantly). Home inspectors aren't code enforcers, and in fact if we are not 110% sure that the code we are calling is correct...we have to report something to the effect of: "this ______ does not seem to be up to industry standards."

I did call the Merrimack building office today and they explained that the NH code is the code they use, there is no local code. The codes have not changed since 2009 (the plumber told her new code changes happened at the beginning of the year). They seemed pretty interested in finding out who this guy is. I'm not a rat, but don't mind putting a scare into an unethical contractor.
 
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