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Ok guys....stop the trolling.....

There is another forum I'm on and when the topic of HF vs SO vs CM, well....same attitudes.

I've come to the conclusion that a SO lover will never say anything good about an HF tool....

SO has some of the stongest brand loyalty of any product.

Now, if you will excuse me, I need to go check out the new HF store that just opened up down the street.
 

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My buddy's US General tool box actually is OK. As long as it stays in one place. Try to wheel it around, full, and it creaks and squeaks. (I can tell you from experience that most tool chests work fine if they remain stationary. Move a cheap box across the shop once or twice a week and they don't last a year. That's where Snap-On/Mac/Matco quality starts to show.)
Just curious - why would you want to move a full, almost 1000 lb tool box across a shop day in and day out? I'd rather have a tool cart and move that or walk back to the box assuming it's not too far.
 

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It is my understanding there are no power tools that are made in this country. Porter Cable was the last and now they are gone. Zig Ziglar once did a piece on cheap vs quality. He bought a bicycle for his son at a discount store. They didn't have it very long and started to have problems with it, they had to replace the handle bars twice, the seat, and something else. After adding up the repairs they went and bought a new shwein for less than they had in the cheap bike. they had it for over 8 years and had made no repairs. Just saying. If you buy HF tools and are happy with them, and they are doing what you want them to do then go for it.
 

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Just curious - why would you want to move a full, almost 1000 lb tool box across a shop day in and day out? I'd rather have a tool cart and move that or walk back to the box assuming it's not too far.
Work on cars or motorcycles, move it once a "whenever", when it's time to mop or PW the floor. Work on trucks, aircraft, heavy equipment and you may move it several times a day, to get it closer to the equipment you're working on.
 

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Have a sawzall I bought from HF, beat the hell out of it routinely, still goes, though occasionally the blade will seize and stop while the motor makes a crazy grinding noise!! So I pull it out of whatever i jammed the blade into, and start again. Keeps going. Think I paid $29 for it.

Like most other posters though, if I want something that I need high quality and long lasting durability for, I will go to other places.
 

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Have a sawzall I bought from HF, beat the hell out of it routinely, still goes, though occasionally the blade will seize and stop while the motor makes a crazy grinding noise!! So I pull it out of whatever i jammed the blade into, and start again. Keeps going. Think I paid $29 for it.

Like most other posters though, if I want something that I need high quality and long lasting durability for, I will go to other places.
It may keep going because the motor isn't powerful enough to destroy gear train on lock up. Milwaukee started putting impact protection gears on their super sawzalls once they went over 8 amps to protect the gear train from impacts and stalling/motor lock up.
 

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Been buying HF tools for decades (through the catalog before the intenet). For tools you rarely use but would like to have and couldn't justify the cost of a pro quality version, HF is great. Yes, sometimes you get stuff that just doesn't work, but that's the nature of ultra-cheap tools. Now that I have an HF store nearby, it's also paid off for unusual tools that aren't in stock anywhere else.

It's nice to have nice tools, but it's also nice to have a lot of tools . I have a good mix of high quality stuff, mid-quality stuff, and cheap stuff.
 

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Ok guys....stop the trolling.....

There is another forum I'm on and when the topic of HF vs SO vs CM, well....same attitudes.

I've come to the conclusion that a SO lover will never say anything good about an HF tool....

SO has some of the stongest brand loyalty of any product.

Now, if you will excuse me, I need to go check out the new HF store that just opened up down the street.
Why would anyone bother to argue between the 3? There's really no comparison. Almost all of my hand tools are Craftsman. Only because I can drive just a few minutes away and get anything replaced when I break it. I've got a couple Snap-on and Mac flex head ratchets and they really are worlds better than Craftsman/Kobalt/Husky/big box store tools, at the same time their price reflects that. I'm not a pro, but I am in my tool box at least twice a week to work on my house or a friend's vehicle, so I need decent tools. HB tools just can't stand up to that much use. And their price reflects that as well.
 

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i have some HF tools. most of them work out well, for the price and usage. i have a HF ratchet, it works smooth, and i tied to break it, and couldn't. no, i did put a pipe on it.
 

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What is actually made in the US nowadays? Even itms that have an american flag on the box is actually assembled or parts are made in another country. I myself own several HF tools as does my father and we have not had a single one fail. I own one of their upright air compressors and its still going strong after 3 years. I've used all their fasteners without any problems. I also own tons of their Pittsburgh hand tools and they held up perfectly. I agree this stuff isn't meant for mechanics are every day hard abuse but they work perfectly fine for general use. Also helps if you take good care of your tools.
 

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I really don't know where to buy tools anymore. I have had good and bad tools from HF, Craftsman and Grizzly. I bought mechanic tools from Mac and Snap on in the late 60's that still work like new. I wonder if the ones they make now are as good?
I bought some woodworking tools from Grizzly a few years ago, that were just junk. A couple would not work new out of the box and I am not talking about cheap stuff either. Their store had a whole warehouse full of returned tools.
 

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I call HF a tool dollar store for Men(or women). When I purchase something from here I dont expect it to last to long. SO with this type of expectation I cannot really be disappointed.

As far as power tools are concerned a few things have been the Pittsburgh brand and lasted a little while and some are still going strong. Everyday tools that I use like a Screw Gun or Impact Wrench I choose Dewalt but than again thats my preference everyone is different.

All in all the quality is a crap shoot but if you buy something from HF and expect it to last and last you will be disappointed.
 

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I use harbor freight tools for once in while special applications. For example I have the Pittsburgh forge double flex 3/8 ratchet and the 1/2 inch indexable ratchet. Both are not everyday ratchets but are life savers when you need them. I really like the 3/8 18" breaker ratcheting breaker bar. I used it to break nuts loose on my 99 dakota R/T shock mounts. It worked fine because my R/T has 50,000 original garage miles. No rusted stuck fasteners. I purchased the 3/8 17" breaker yesterday for the princely sum of 6 dollars and done odd cents(on sale 7.99 - 20% off coupon). I went there to buy long pattern metric wrenches but they looked too Mickey Mouse like so I bought the breaker bar. I then ordered NAPA long pattern wrenches on eBay from cripe distribution for $10 plus 6.50 shipping.
 

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I like HFT and consider most of their tools have acceptable quality for the price at least for occasional use. Other than a couple of 4 1/2" angle grinders my only HFT Power Tools are: None of these three tools came with a case. They were in big foam packaged shipping boxes that took up a lot of room. It was not possible to fit all three in a single HFT Toolbox so I bought a Plano Extra Deep Toolbox that holds all three tools and accessories and threw out the three HFT shipping boxes.

Note I also have the HFT Grinder Safety Guard for straight cuts that will fit other brands of grinders.
 

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PaliBob said:
I like HFT and consider most of their tools have acceptable quality for the price at least for occasional use. Other than a couple of 4 1/2" angle grinders my only HFT Power Tools are:
[*]Portable Band Saw
[*]Die Grinder
[*]Bandfile Sander
None of these three tools came with a case. They were in big foam packaged shipping boxes that took up a lot of room. It was not possible to fit all three in a single HFT Toolbox so I bought a Plano Extra Deep Toolbox that holds all three tools and accessories and threw out the three HFT shipping boxes.

Note I also have the HFT Grinder Safety Guard for straight cuts that will fit other brands of grinders.
Why so many 4 1/2 grinders? I have a ridgid 4 1/2 metabo clone and a bosch 5" 1773ak concrete grinder. And there's a story behind the concrete grinder. Long story short, I used concrete resurfacer and it rained. Used Bosch grinder to remove ugly ruined resurfacer. Hired guy to put down decorative concrete. That stuff went on to smooth and guy came back several times to redo to add texture. I ended up roughing it up w/ a Flex stair tread roughener.
 

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I have bought a lot of HF stuff, but I do research first. I also don't expect the tools to be as good or last as long as a higher-end brand.
I have had very few problems with the things I have bought. I have a $20 reciprocating saw that I bought years ago and I still use all the time. I also have a small, very cheap, wet tile saw I bought for a small project 2 years ago and seem to keep finding reasons to use, and it hasn't failed yet. I bought a HF roto-hammer recently because it cost less than renting one for two days. It works great and I've used it several times now so even if it breaks tomorrow I'll feel I got more than my money's worth out of it.
My HF dust collector was an awesome value after I added some very inexpensive upgrades.

I was also extremely disappointed in some $1 clamps I bought there that literally started breaking before I even used them. I once bought a cordless 18v drill that was a total waste of money. It worked, but was more like a 5v drill. On the plus side they took it back without any questions. My HF drill press was also a disappointment, but was easily returned as well.

I'll probably continue to buy occasional use tools at HF. I expect to be disappointed sometimes, but I feel that the cost/quality trade-off is reasonable for things I won't be using often. For tools I plan to use more than a few times a year I will happily pay much more for a proven name brand.
 

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I'm on the fence. It all depends on what you get from them. It's always a 50/50 chance that it will hold up. I bought an angle grinder a couple years ago and it vibrated like crazy. After 30mins of using it, I had to give my hands a break. My father picked it up and started using it, and it imploded in his hands. I returned it for warranty and recieved one that was DOA.

I no longer buy power tools from them.


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On the other hand, I have a 90amp welder that I got from there that works like a dream when it comes to car panels. I've used it quite a bit, and never had a single problem with it, and it even welds aluminum.
 

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My first purchase from HF was about 20+ years ago. It was a benchtop drill press. I used it yesterday for the millionth time (lots) and it works exactlly as it should. Clamps, jackstands, grinder, hand tools and all sorts of misc. stuff over the years. No large investment and no tears if I break or burn out something. I also have Dewalt, Porter Cable, Skill and Craftsman tools. I actually have a HF tape measure which is about 6 years old....I'm surprised as well. :laughing:. I'll be heading up there next week.
 
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