[CNM Design]

Has any one checked in into this or one like it?

http://www.disenco.com/html/overview-2217.htm

 

[mboxwell]

I've been aware of the product for quite a while, but there is no real information about it, or even an idea of when it will be available.

If the product can do what they claim it can do, it will be a fantastic product that could really make an improvement in carbon emissions. It will also be a useful product for off-grid use. My peak electricity usage is easily below its maximum output, despite me using an electric car, so it is the sort of product that would suit me well.

 

[lucylockettx]

Disenco

Hi

I work for Disenco. If you require any further information please feel free to email [email protected], or call on 0114 261 5180.

Kind regards,

Lucy Corlett

 

[Red Squirrel]

That sounds like an interesting product. I've always wondered how well a sterling engine would work to produce power.

I'd be curious to see how this appliance looks like, as well. Sterling engine setups tend to be very big and bulky (mostly the external heat source, which from what I've seen is usually a mirror array).

 

[lucylockettx]

Disenco HomePowerPlant (HPP)

I've tried to upload a photo of our appliance, not sure if it has worked?

Our dimensions are 600x600x800.

Like I've said before, if you'd like some more information please feel free to contact me.

 

[j00fek]

i have been looking into this for a while. i have looked @ http://freewatt.com/

looks great, but prolly 30k to install

 

[nap]

When will Disenco’s m-CHP unit be ready for purchase?
The first commercialised HomePowerPlants are scheduled to be available in the Q3 2009.

Are they available now? Q3 2009 is over.

I have not read all of the website but I have yet to see what fuel this gizmo uses.

Do you have any fuel consumption per kW figures?

 

[lucylockettx]

The development of Disenco's HPP has been delayed, this is due to no other reason than funding has been very slow this year.

Our appliance is run on Natural Gas and LPG, other fuels have been investigated.

 

[nap]

dang, when it comes to financing, you haven't even released a quarterly report since your 2008 annual report. That alone sounds like so many companies that are gung-ho in the beginning and as their ideas don't pan out, they simply begin to flounder and simply eat up the investment money and then the company dies. From your annual report, I see you have had at least $10 million USD committed in fiscal 2009 plus an additional amount of at least 2 million of some form of currency. The symbol does not translate to anything I am aware of but is similar to a Euro symbol. If so, that would translate into an additional nearly $3 million USD with that same investor group with a soft commitment of an additional 9 million Euro(?) by the end of 2010.

Plus there is a 3rd investor that has made a investment goal of 9 million Euro(?) while obviously not seriously in a position to turn that into hard funds at this time.


So, your website is undependable and incomplete and full of fluff?


Don't get me wrong. I enjoy the idea that there are people and companies are working on alternate means to produce energy but so often, we see companies that come out, make a huge deal about their product and many people invest in the product at the research level.

As a means to continue to seek investment funds, we get what we see here;

a website that makes everything sound all rosy yet some of the most basic and important info is either misleading or missing.



If all I see is a pretty picture, it only keeps me interested for a limited time. After that, I need substance. Based on your FAQ's, you provide almost nothing of substance, merely innuendo.

Darn Lucy, you have not even fully answered the questions I asked here. How do you propose keeping people interested if you cannot even allude to a projected cost to operate. Such a simple and basic question yet is has simply been ignored.

Best of luck to you and your company but based on what I see, I don't expect to see your product at my local HVAC distributor anytime soon.

 

[jogr]

I've never seen any fueled small (house or small community sized) generator that can produce electricity cheaper or cleaner than the grid source. Matters of scale favor big facilities both for lowest cost and lowest emissions. I suspect that might be the delay.

 

[Anti-wingnut]

dang, when it comes to financing, you haven't even released a quarterly report since your 2008 annual report. That alone sounds like so many companies that are gung-ho in the beginning and as their ideas don't pan out, they simply begin to flounder and simply eat up the investment money and then the company dies. From your annual report, I see you have had at least $10 million USD committed in fiscal 2009 plus an additional amount of at least 2 million of some form of currency. The symbol does not translate to anything I am aware of but is similar to a Euro symbol. If so, that would translate into an additional nearly $3 million USD with that same investor group with a soft commitment of an additional 9 million Euro(?) by the end of 2010.

Plus there is a 3rd investor that has made a investment goal of 9 million Euro(?) while obviously not seriously in a position to turn that into hard funds at this time.


So, your website is undependable and incomplete and full of fluff?


Don't get me wrong. I enjoy the idea that there are people and companies are working on alternate means to produce energy but so often, we see companies that come out, make a huge deal about their product and many people invest in the product at the research level.

As a means to continue to seek investment funds, we get what we see here;

a website that makes everything sound all rosy yet some of the most basic and important info is either misleading or missing.



If all I see is a pretty picture, it only keeps me interested for a limited time. After that, I need substance. Based on your FAQ's, you provide almost nothing of substance, merely innuendo.

Darn Lucy, you have not even fully answered the questions I asked here. How do you propose keeping people interested if you cannot even allude to a projected cost to operate. Such a simple and basic question yet is has simply been ignored.

Best of luck to you and your company but based on what I see, I don't expect to see your product at my local HVAC distributor anytime soon.

You tell em! I'm sure this product is years away from the market

 

[nap]

You tell em! I'm sure this product is years away from the market

thank you for your support!!


like I said, if real, great but most have seen too many "free <whatever>" claims that are worthless and too many products that never live up to the hype.

I love to see innovation in this area but as jogr stated, it's hard to beat the grid for cost.

 

[Yoyizit]

The development of Disenco's HPP has been delayed, this is due to no other reason than funding has been very slow this year.

Our appliance is run on Natural Gas and LPG, other fuels have been investigated.

What's your MTBF?
How long is the payback period?

 

[lucylockettx]

Our payback times would be completly dependant on the premises that the appliance was installed in.

I am sorry but I am not able to publish our MTBF rates at this time.
If you would like to talk about the HPP in more depth, then please contact the office and we will arrange for a copy of our NDA to be sent to you.

Nap, please can you contact Alan Dale here at Disenco. I am unable to find any contact details for you. The office number is + 44 114 261 5180

 

[Yoyizit]

Our payback times would be completly dependant on the premises that the appliance was installed in.

No problem.
What is the longest reasonable payback, the shortest, and the average?

What is the expected lifespan of the costliest assembly within your product?

How tolerant is this unit regarding ductwork variations and variations in the diligence of installers?

 

[allyouneed]

Nap,

You got it wrong. Check out Sedar findings for the latest reports. They just don't want to put them on their website in case it starts a stampede - OUT - like Doug Hunter.

 

[nap]

Nap,

You got it wrong. Check out Sedar findings for the latest reports. They just don't want to put them on their website in case it starts a stampede - OUT - like Doug Hunter.

I am neither a financial analyst nor a business analyst but I did not see anything that looked real promising in those reports.

 

[allyouneed]

Nap,

The point I'm making is that the latest reports on SEDAR are enough to frighten off any investor. No money in the bank, no product, managed to survive these past years only by dilution, sky high debts and the "bold new face of energy" - the board - changes a lot. Promised investments don't happen, competitors win contracts with a value attached, but Disenco enters into memorandums of understanding with no value. The company is a dog.

 

[nap]

Nap,

The point I'm making is that the latest reports on SEDAR are enough to frighten off any investor. No money in the bank, no product, managed to survive these past years only by dilution, sky high debts and the "bold new face of energy" - the board - changes a lot. Promised investments don't happen, competitors win contracts with a value attached, but Disenco enters into memorandums of understanding with no value. The company is a dog.

I agree. I was just being subtle.

Yes, the $0 listed as cash in the bank said a lot.

If you read the notices of change (or whatever they were called), there have been several high level people jumping ship. This looks a lot like what I was suggesting; basically a legal pyramid scheme and the last one out gets the shaft.

 

[allyouneed]

There's probably a lot of investors out there who feel they've been shafted already. I thought the dot con era was over.