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I'm in the process of buying a house under construction. I am allowed to make a few customizations, including electrical circuits but I'm running into some issues with this. First, the house has a 200-amp service from the power company. Second, the house has a detached garage in addition to a 2 and 1-car attached garage. My plan is to make the detached garage be my "computer lab", where I will have several computer servers running. I plan on adding a ductless mini-split air conditioner/heater to maintain proper/comfortable temperatures. I see that most manufacturers call for 240V-15A circuits, but the lowest amp option the builder gave me was a dedicated 30A circuit. I also added two dedicated 20-amp 120V circuits and the standard 15-amp circuit to power lights and possibly a garage door opener. The detached garage has a 135A sub-panel and a 2" conduit for electrical wires between the attached garage and the detached garage. In addition to all this, I want to add a spa in the backyard and it will require a 240V-50A circuit. I was told that this would pull too much for the gauge wire that can run through the 2" conduit, so I'm not allowed to have both the 30A and 50A circuits on the detached garage.

In addition to my detached garage, I wanted two additional dedicated circuits; one inside the attached garage and one on the side of the attached garage... both on the same wall as the main breaker box. I had asked for both to be 240V-50A, although in both cases, I know it is overkill for my current needs. I presently own a travel trailer with a 120V-30A power system... but in the future, I may want to get one with a 240V-50A power system and figured I'd prepare for that possibility now; this is what would be on the outside of the garage... on the driveway leading back to the detached garage. The other circuit is for our plug-in vehicles. I presently own two plug-in hybrids and would one day, get a Tesla. Both of our vehicles can only charge at a slower rate and only pull 240V @16A. Even if I put in a 40-amp charger on a 50-amp circuit, my car would only charge at the lower amperage rate. As I said though, I would one day like to get something that will need to charge at a higher current.

I am being told that I can't have all that I want, so I came up with an alternative workaround... for them to do what will be difficult to upgrade later and leave what I think will be an easier upgrade for after the purchase. When I realized that the reason I couldn't have both the 30A and 50A 240V circuits on the garage was due to the conduit in place, I then realized that if I routed the 50A circuit for the hot tub to the house instead of the detached garage, it would be using "Romex" through the structure and not through conduit that was already placed underground and concrete footings poured around. This gives me the 30A for the ductless mini-split and the 50A for the hot tub to the rear of the property. They have already placed a 4"x4" electrical outlet box and a very short conduit from the main electrical panel to the inside of the garage and it would be easier to run power through the side-wall of the garage to the outside by an electrician in the future.

Now, after all the set-up, here are my questions. Am I going to have issues with electrical code for adding the two 240V-50A circuits I want in the future? Will I be told that the sum of the circuit amperage exceeds the 200-amp supply? I know that some of it is overkill and I will seldom be pulling that much load. Also, I know that the house is wired for a 240V clothes dryer but also has natural gas hookups... I use a natural gas clothes dryer, so the 240V will not be used.
 

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You can have anything you want for money. You know it, and they know it. Your best bet would be to have separate service and metering for the "computer lab". That way you can ensure grounding and transients on your equipment rather than relying on the instability of your general circuit breaker set up.
 

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You would need to do a load calculation to know for sure. That said 200 amp is a lot of power unless you have electric on demand water heaters or you are heating with electric in a cold climate. Even with two ev charging stations and a 50 amp spa I think it is unlikely you will exceed your available amperage.
 

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This is in a "track" home, not a custom build. At the time we started the purchase process, the foundation had already been poured and the conduit between the power company and the house was in place. There is no option to increase beyond the 200-amp service connection. I don't even know if the city would allow me to run a second 200-amp service to the detached garage, but if it could be added anywhere, that is where it would go.
 

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Yes, I used the wrong word... I admit I didn't realize it should have been "tract" home and not "track" home. Lesson learned. I never really considered the etymology of "tract homes." Generally I hear it spoken as opposed to reading the term; they are almost homophones. By true definition, "track" and "tract" are not exactly a homophone but the "T" sound at the end of "tract" is rarely emphasized when casually speaking. I'm not a complete idiot.
 

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I think you are too worried about what "may happen" and you are going to waste a lot of money doing it. (Yes, it's your money, so do it if you want to.)

A lot of the "may happen" dreams or wishes, don't happen. That's life.
 

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Don't worry about that. In every forum there are Dicks who think they are funny.
You problem is electrical, not spelling.
I wasn't offended... in fact, I found it funny. I've poked fun at others for making similar mistakes. I was working on an ambulance where I had an EMT partner that made a spelling error in a pre-hospital care report that was just too funny not to comment about. He was trying to write the word "assessment"... the only problem was he misspelled it into something kind of funny. He spelled it "assmint." His brother and I started teasing him about that. We asked if that is what you give someone with room-clearing farts.
 

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In every forum there are Dicks who think they are funny.
Well said from someone who hasn't been here for 7 years. Things change. People change. We enjoy the forums like they are and using condescending statements like yours is basically uncalled for. Lighten up, hoss.
 

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Well said from someone who hasn't been here for 7 years. Things change. People change. We enjoy the forums like they are and using condescending statements like yours is basically uncalled for. Lighten up, hoss.
Hey thanks for the nice comment.
I new that someone would come along to verify my statement.
Way to go....."hoss".:thumbup:
 

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Put in the largest feed to the garage you can (hot, hot, neutral, ground) to fit the conduit you have. The breaker back at the main house that serves that garage feed will (should) limit the current to what the feed can take.

You mentioned that the conduit was not big enough for 50 and 30 amp feeds. You are allowed only one feed out to any one detached building, so you must make it big enough for both loads and put a subpanel in the outbuilding as needed.

Or for a separate feed run separately from the main house to a spa, you would be better off with this feed sized to include other accessories in the vicinity of the spa and a subpanel out there.

Some day in the distant future you might be able to upgrade the service from 200 to 400 amps. Until then, use manual discipline to keep the total load (car charging, air conditioning, spa, etc. at any given time within the capacity of the feed and also the service.

Avoid using the word "overkill" without first consulting a crystal ball. When the builder set a minimum of a 30 amp feed as an add on for your semi-custom built home, his experience probably was that his customers quickly outgrew a smaller feed.
 

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I'm in the process of buying a house under construction. I am allowed to make a few customizations, including electrical circuits but I'm running into some issues with this. First, the house has a 200-amp service from the power company. Second, the house has a detached garage in addition to a 2 and 1-car attached garage. My plan is to make the detached garage be my "computer lab", where I will have several computer servers running. I plan on adding a ductless mini-split air conditioner/heater to maintain proper/comfortable temperatures. I see that most manufacturers call for 240V-15A circuits, but the lowest amp option the builder gave me was a dedicated 30A circuit. I also added two dedicated 20-amp 120V circuits and the standard 15-amp circuit to power lights and possibly a garage door opener. The detached garage has a 135A sub-panel and a 2" conduit for electrical wires between the attached garage and the detached garage. In addition to all this, I want to add a spa in the backyard and it will require a 240V-50A circuit. I was told that this would pull too much for the gauge wire that can run through the 2" conduit, so I'm not allowed to have both the 30A and 50A circuits on the detached garage.

In addition to my detached garage, I wanted two additional dedicated circuits; one inside the attached garage and one on the side of the attached garage... both on the same wall as the main breaker box. I had asked for both to be 240V-50A, although in both cases, I know it is overkill for my current needs. I presently own a travel trailer with a 120V-30A power system... but in the future, I may want to get one with a 240V-50A power system and figured I'd prepare for that possibility now; this is what would be on the outside of the garage... on the driveway leading back to the detached garage. The other circuit is for our plug-in vehicles. I presently own two plug-in hybrids and would one day, get a Tesla. Both of our vehicles can only charge at a slower rate and only pull 240V @16A. Even if I put in a 40-amp charger on a 50-amp circuit, my car would only charge at the lower amperage rate. As I said though, I would one day like to get something that will need to charge at a higher current.

I am being told that I can't have all that I want, so I came up with an alternative workaround... for them to do what will be difficult to upgrade later and leave what I think will be an easier upgrade for after the purchase. When I realized that the reason I couldn't have both the 30A and 50A 240V circuits on the garage was due to the conduit in place, I then realized that if I routed the 50A circuit for the hot tub to the house instead of the detached garage, it would be using "Romex" through the structure and not through conduit that was already placed underground and concrete footings poured around. This gives me the 30A for the ductless mini-split and the 50A for the hot tub to the rear of the property. They have already placed a 4"x4" electrical outlet box and a very short conduit from the main electrical panel to the inside of the garage and it would be easier to run power through the side-wall of the garage to the outside by an electrician in the future.

Now, after all the set-up, here are my questions. Am I going to have issues with electrical code for adding the two 240V-50A circuits I want in the future? Will I be told that the sum of the circuit amperage exceeds the 200-amp supply? I know that some of it is overkill and I will seldom be pulling that much load. Also, I know that the house is wired for a 240V clothes dryer but also has natural gas hookups... I use a natural gas clothes dryer, so the 240V will not be used.
The electrician needs to do a load calculation for the entire project. You haven't listed main house AC units, total square footage, ovens, heat source. etc. Is it possible that someday you may install a pool?
 
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