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Hello all. New to this website. Need some opinions expertise. New driveway and live in Michigan. Experiencing a lot of flaking after 1 month of install. It was installed last November and it did rain that day. Builder is claiming salt caused it and we are still trying to get if fixed. Possibly the issue but could it of been a bad mix, not a winter mix or the rain when it was being laid. It was not covered during the rain. Also step on front porch cracking and porch cracking. It’s been 1 yr for all. Thank you

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Hello all. New to this website. Need some opinions expertise. New driveway and live in Michigan. Experiencing a lot of flaking after 1 month of install. It was installed last November and it did rain that day. Builder is claiming salt caused it and we are still trying to get if fixed. Possibly the issue but could it of been a bad mix, not a winter mix or the rain when it was being laid. It was not covered during the rain. Also step on front porch cracking and porch cracking. It’s been 1 yr for all. Thank you
Pictures don't really show it. Salt will cause spalling, in fact many people do a rock salt finish. Where did the salt come from?

Doesn't look like your porch cracked. That's just the seam of where they poured against. Your concrete shrunk a little (normal) and I guess you think it cracked.
Perhaps you can get that caulked if it bothers you.
 

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It's a year old, you think it's "normal" to be peeling and delaminating?

OP, you shouldn't have to, but if you can document the weather for the time of the pour, you'd easily win in a court case. The surface of the driveway was compromised in strength if it rainedon it before it was hard enough to walk on. If salt was to blame, every inch of concrete street, curb, and sidewalk would look the same across the Northern hemisphere. It doesn't, though, because salt doesn't destroy good concrete, it only exposes poor work.......
Do you see peeling and delamination? Pictures make it tough for me.

If delamination is occurring it could be over-trowling trapping bleed water.

I would want to throw a contractor under the bus without seeing better.

What do you think of the OP suggestion that he has a crack in his stoop?

One must be cautious here before letting the hammer down.
 

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Yes, I can clearly see spelling in the pictures, no question about it, and am kind of surprised few others can see it. The crack is superficial IMO.

I've been trying to defend contractor's here for the better part of 15 years, don't think I'm throwing anyone under the bus........
That's not a crack, it's a cold joint.
There is not enough evidence here to make a good opinion either way.
 

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I have seen spalling so I know what that looks like
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It usually starts with cracks.
It's certainly a light broom finish....some of the finish has been wore off or maybe worse. Sometimes pictures don't show the real issue.

I see that in normal wear but one year would be premature. OP is no longer replying so not really worth anymore opinions until he does.
 

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Lol! What makes you the judge, jury, and executioner? Maybe look at a larger screen and if you still can't see any spalling in the original images, you should heed your own advice and stop posting opinions.......
Well let's analyze this.

When reading these posts, I try to remain nutruel and give the best opinion/advice that I can. The OP in this case showed quite a few pictures with most of them not showing much damage. He also showed what he called a crack on some other concrete that wasn't a crack. That's the start of a red flag for me but I kept it to myself other than explaining to him what it really was. At no point did I say it wasn't bad workmanship but to pin it on someone from my chair, God knows how far from me, doesn't sound justified.

So let's anylize this some more.

I used words like "don't really show" "not a crack" and "premature wear and tear"

You use words and phrases like, "peeling and delamination" "clearly see" "win a court case" "superficial crack" "salt doesn't hurt good concrete"

Now after reading this, I'm the judge, jury and executioner?

Interesting.

I've been doing concrete my whole adult life. I've seen customers who power wash their own concrete.... that after a couple of years, it looks like its 10 years old or better.

Now let's talk about salt. I have a pretty large place on salt water. I've been doing beach concrete bulkheads for a long time. If you think salt doesn't hurt GOOD concrete than you need to educate yourself on salts damaging effects on concrete.

Looking at the pictures and reading the descriptions, it could have been a rained out pour and then they troweled in the moisture creating a weak finish but tough to know for sure and I didn't see other evidence that I might see of a rained out slab.

Holding your tongue on this one is most likely the best choice.
 
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