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Across the street from my house is a 35 acre lake. Under the road is a culvert that connects the lake to the middle of my two acres. The result is a tiny creek roughly 3' wide and maybe 18" deep that rises and falls with rain and drought. A couple years ago I noticed that a bunch of trees were dying and when I investigated I found that some beavers dammed the creek. It has to be the lamest dam creek to dam, but I guess they hear water flowing and they just can't help them-dam-selves. After I got rid of the dam beavers the first time (which the State did for me free of charge) I decided to get rid of the 300 bricks that I had left over from building the house in 07 and I threw them in the creek. A few weeks ago I noticed that the creek was up a little bit and I discovered that the dam beavers were back. Turns out the beavers used the some of the dam bricks in the construction of the dam (you have to look carefully to see them in the pics). I took a while to bust up the dam (a mini excavator would have been dam handy) and the beaver patched it at night, but after week I won the battle – at least for now. I imagine when it rains the creek will be up a little and flowing into the lake, and the beavers will be back. However, they’ll have to swim through the dam trap that DNR set and that will be the last dam thing that they do. I hate beavers.

A week ago I went down to the creek to check on things and found a big moccasin floating in the creek. For fun I added a picture of a copperhead that came up in my garage last year while I was welding some ornamental iron (I posted this same pic some time ago in another thread). I walked right past him before realizing he we there.
 

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Is the State going to clean up the bricks you dumped in the creek for free too?
 

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kwikfishron said:
Is the State going to clean up the bricks you dumped in the creek for free too?
No. They are simply rocks and they will stay in place.
 

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Beavers are super destructive when they run amok. :eek: My understanding is that once they start somewhere, so long as there is running water and beavers are in the area they're going to dam it. I'm glad the State helped you out.

Time for a fur coat? Hat?
 

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beavers are super destructive when they run amok. :eek: My understanding is that once they start somewhere, so long as there is running water and beavers are in the area they're going to dam it. I'm glad the state helped you out.

time for a fur coat? Hat?
beaver,it's what's for dinner. YOU CAN EAT BEAVER; CANT YOU?
 

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Some eat the tail. The only thing to do with a beaver is kill it. The are one hell of a nuisance. I tried waiting for it one night with my shotgun, but after an hour I lost interest. The traps will get em
 

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beaver,it's what's for dinner. YOU CAN EAT BEAVER; CANT YOU?
Just cause you CAN do something doesn't mean you should, or would want to.
Our neighbor killed a beaver that was damming our pond. They cooked it just for the heck of it. They let DH try it.

He said it tasted like it was made by B.F. Goodrich.
 

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Just cause you CAN do something doesn't mean you should, or would want to.
Our neighbor killed a beaver that was damming our pond. They cooked it just for the heck of it. They let DH try it.

He said it tasted like it was made by B.F. Goodrich.
Kinda makes you wonder what they taste like seeing how they eat bark, and roots. Course cows eat grass, but beef is good. Had a sandwich at subway today...wonder what I would taste like.
 

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I don't know if this is true or not. I got it from a joke website, so probably not, but I thought it was cute.





This is an actual letter sent to a man named Ryan DeVries regarding a pond on his property. It was sent by the Pennsylvania Department of Environmental Quality, State of Pennsylvania. The man's response follows...



DEQ File No.97-59-0023; T11N; R10W, Sec. 20; Lycoming County

Dear Mr. DeVries:

It has come to the attention of the Department of Environmental Quality that there has been recent unauthorized activity on the above referenced parcel of property. You have been certified as the legal landowner and/or contractor who did the following unauthorized activity:

Construction and maintenance of two wood debris dams across the outlet stream of Spring Pond.

A permit must be issued prior to the start of this type of activity. A review of the Department's files shows that no permits have been issued. Therefore, the Department has determined that this activity is in violation of Part 301, Inland Lakes and Streams, of the Natural Resource and Environmental Protection Act, Act 451 of the Public Acts of 1994, being sections 324.30101 to 324.30113 of the Pennsylvania Compiled Laws, annotated.

The Department has been informed that one or both of the dams partially failed during a recent rain event, causing debris and flooding at downstream locations. We find that dams of this nature are inherently hazardous and cannot be permitted. The Department therefore orders you to cease and desist all activities at this location, and to restore the stream to a free-flow condition by removing all wood and brush forming the dams from the stream channel.

All restoration work shall be completed no later than January 31, 2006.

Please notify this office when the restoration has been completed so that a follow-up site inspection may be scheduled by our staff. Failure to comply with this request or any further unauthorized activity on the site may result in this case being referred for elevated enforcement action..

We anticipate and would appreciate your full cooperation in this matter. Please feel free to contact me at this office if you have any questions.

Sincerely,


D Price
District Representative and Water Management Division. avid L.



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Here is the actual response sent back by Mr. DeVries:


Re: DEQ File No. 97-59-0023; T11N; R10W, Sec. 20; Lycoming County

Dear Mr. Price,

Your certified letter dated 12/17/05 has been handed to me to respond to. I am the legal landowner but not the Contractor at 2088 Dagget Lane, Trout Run, Pennsylvania.

A couple of beavers are in the (State unauthorized) process of constructing and maintaining two wood 'debris' dams across the outlet stream of my Spring Pond. While I did not pay for, authorize, nor supervise their dam project, I think they would be highly offended that you call their skillful use of natures building materials 'debris.'

I would like to challenge your department to attempt to emulate their dam project any time and/or any place you choose. I believe I can safely state there is no way you could ever match their dam skills, their dam resourcefulness, their dam ingenuity, their dam persistence, their dam determination and/or their dam work ethic.

These are the beavers/contractors you are seeking. As to your request, I do not think the beavers are aware that they must first fill out a dam permit prior to the start of this type of dam activity.

My first dam question to you is:

(1) Are you trying to discriminate against my Spring Pond Beavers, or

(2) do you require all beavers throughout this State to conform to said dam request?

If you are not discriminating against these particular beavers, through the Freedom of Information Act, I request completed copies of all those other applicable beaver dam permits that have been issued.

(Perhaps we will see if there really is a dam violation of Part 301, Inland Lakes and Streams, of the Natural Resource and Environmental Protection Act, Act 451 of the Public Acts of 1994, being sections 324.30101 to 324.30113 of the Pennsylvania Compiled Laws, annotated.)

I have several concerns. My first concern is, aren't the beavers entitled to legal representation? The Spring Pond Beavers are financially destitute and are unable to pay for said representation -- so the State will have to provide them with a dam lawyer. The Department's dam concern that either one or both of the dams failed during a recent rain event, causing flooding, is proof that this is a natural occurrence, which the Department is required to protect. In other words, we should leave the Spring Pond Beavers alone rather than harassing them and calling them dam names.

If you want the stream 'restored' to a dam free-flow condition please contact the beavers -- but if you are going to arrest them, they obviously did not pay any attention to your dam letter, they being unable to read English.

In my humble opinion, the Spring Pond Beavers have a right to build their unauthorized dams as long as the sky is blue, the grass is green and water flows downstream. They have more dam rights than I do to live and enjoy Spring Pond. If the Department of Natural Resources and Environmental Protection lives up to its name, it should protect the natural resources (Beavers) and the environment (Beavers' Dams).

So, as far as the beavers and I are concerned, this dam case can be referred for more elevated enforcement action right now. Why wait until 1/31/2006? The Spring Pond Beavers may be under the dam ice then and there will be no way for you or your dam staff to contact/harass them.

In conclusion, I would like to bring to your attention to a real environmental quality, health, problem in the area. It is the bears! Bears are actually defecating in our woods. I definitely believe you should be persecuting the defecating bears and leave the beavers alone. If you are going to investigate the beaver dam, watch your step! The bears are not careful where they dump!

Being unable to comply with your dam request, and being unable to contact you on your dam answering machine, I am sending this response to your dam office.

THANK YOU,


RYAN DEVRIES & THE DAM BEAVERS
 

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We have problems with beavers damming up inlet valves into our lakes here but aren't allowed to kill them.

Had good luck with stringing some rope across the stream and hanging black garbage bags with a few rocks in the bottom. Seems to fool them.
 
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