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This is my first time posting. I need some advice. Among many other things my kitchen floor(Ceramic Tile) many of the tiles are cracking in many places and the grout is falling out all over my kitchen. What is happening and What can I do?
 

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hi and welcome to the forum!
if you intend to tear out the old tiles and put in new flooring, your options are many!
if you intend to try repairing/replacing tiles, that's another story.
either way, you'll find plenty of friendly folks here willing to offer advise along the way. Po)


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Most likely cause is that the sub flooring (the flooring material under the floor) is not stiff enough and/ or is not properly secured, or the structure supporting the sub flooring is not stiff enough.

Other possible causes include an incorrect and/or incorrectly installed type of adhesive material holding the tiles to the floor or a leak from a source such as a dishwasher, refrigerator icemaker or sink which is causing water to wick into the sub flooring.

The only way to diagnose the cause is for somebody who understands how the tile should be installed to inspect the current installation - if there is access to the floor from underneath they may be able to determine the cause from below, otherwise it will likely be necessary to remove tiles to diagnose the problem. (Sometimes, you can determine the cause by examining exposed sub flooring, tile, and adhesive under a dishwasher or base cabinet).

When there is extensive failure of a ceramic tile floor covering for any of these reasons, it is usually necessary to remove the tile, correcting the underlying cause of the problem, and then reinstall new tile to effect a permanent repair.

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not knowing the age of the home, it's possible old age is the culprit too, things get dropped, grout crumbles from old age and moisture spills over the years.

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Thanks for the replies. I am afraid I'll have to take the floor up and install a new one. As far as I can tell there is not leak (dish washer broke too). Everything in the house was new except the structure. So it appears that the subfloor is the issue. Carol Elizabeth
 

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DO NOT remove those tiles thinking all you have to do is to install new tiles. That floor structure as it stands IS NOT SUITABLE for a tile installation at this time. That doesn't mean it can't be done with additional research and minor improvements.

We would be glad to help.:)
 

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My hallway they installed tile over an old plastic tile floor
In effect it created a floating tiled floor, grout all cracked
My sub-floor was fine, just stupid that they left the old tiles & expected the new stuff to stick to a shiny glossy surface
 

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I had the same thing happen- I pulled up the old ceramic tile and saw that it was laid right over lanoleum. I pulled both up and then put down the tile backerboard and retiled it. Never had a problem with cracked grout in three years.
 

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Thanks for the replies. I am afraid I'll have to take the floor up and install a new one. As far as I can tell there is not leak (dish washer broke too). Everything in the house was new except the structure. So it appears that the subfloor is the issue. Carol Elizabeth
I've researched replacing my worn linoleum kitchen floor with tile and the tile manufacturer's recommendation is to install at least 1/2" thick concrete board (sold in 2'x4' pieces at HD and Lowes) to get a firm subfloor for ceramic tile. I take it that ceramic flooring was originally planned when the house was built, most subfloor are not suitable for installing ceramic floor over it. When I figure out the cost, I can see that a proper subfloor being a significant portion of a properly installed ceramic tile floor.

So, unless you know you have a really solid (feel like concrete) subfloor, I wouldn't proceed with replacing the ceramic tile unless that's fixed. Otherwise, the new ceramic floor can just crack along the grout lines again.

My kitchen floor sags under the kitchen sink, and I suspect I need to prop up and reinforce one or two floor joists underneath that portion. The sag sort of developed as the house settled. Since I don't know when settling stops, I'm concerned that settling can sag a floor reinforced for ceramic flooring.

So, that's one more thing that needs to be checked. Good luck.
 

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First of all, commonly stocked cement board is typically 36" X 60", 32" X 60" and 48" X 48".

No cement board would offer any additional structural support what-so-ever. It is merely a suitable tooth for the tile adhesive. Cement board that is 1/2" thick is no more advantageous than cement that is 1/4" thick.:)

Installing cement board IS NOT the answer to the problem. The problem is structural and no cement board will help with that.:)
 
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