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Have a little car repair problem I had a question on. Friend of mine was driving his 2014 Honda Accord with only 40K miles on it and he noticed the battery light indicator came on his dash. He said it just came on and there were no other symptoms he noticed. I wasn't able to check out the car myself, but he thought maybe the battery was really weak since he was not driving the vehicle much lately due to the current virus problem making him housebound. So he drove the vehicle around his neighborhood for 20 minutes, thinking that may charge the battery up, and everything was going fine but the battery light did not go away. Then he lost his AC, power steering, and parked the car in a gas station. Coolant was leaking from the bottom of the car and the gas station shop looked at his car for him and noticed the belt had been torn in half and was broken. Got the car towed to a Honda dealer and dealer diagnosed it with a water pump that had been locked up and thus, they had to replace the water pump and the belt. Total cost to him for the repair was $700. He got the car back already and the car has been working fine since the repair.

A couple questions I have on this issue:

1) What caused the original battery light to come on when there weren't any other visible or auditory symptoms on his car? He got the battery light issue on a previous and pleasant drive, not on the drive where the car broke down. I would think that if the water pump was locked up from the beginning, then the belt would squeal or smoke would come from the hood as the belt was rubbing, but he never got any of that stuff before it broke down.

2) What would cause a water pump to lock up on a 2014 Honda Accord with only 40 thousand miles? It's a fairly new car in terms of miles, seems a bit strange to me that the water pump would lock up so early on in the car's life.
After further research, I did find a service bulletin issue with the car here: https://static.nhtsa.gov/odi/tsbs/2017/MC-10118005-9999.pdf . Seems like the water pump bearings have issues on these Accords, so that is what is likely to have caused the issue. The car is out of warranty since it is now 6 years old and he bought the car new in 2014. But if there's a service bulletin on the car having this issue, shouldn't it be replaced for free? Or does it not work that way?

Here is my opinion on the logic of the sequence of events: He was driving the car one day and the car was driving pleasant. The water pump bearing starting going out but wasn't completely out, so he couldn't notice any issues with how his car was driving since the water pump probably was spinning, just not well. Since the water pump wasn't spinning well, the alternator wasn't being driven by the belt well either and so the battery wasn't getting charged properly, which then caused his battery light to come on. He noticed the battery light and didn't think too much of it since the car was still driving fine. This is why I'm assuming the belt was still on the car, since if it had already been thrown off then his power steering and AC would not be working, and they were still working at this time so I think the belt was still on the car but maybe not spinning well. He then took the car out another day on a drive to see if driving the car would charge the battery. At this time, the water pump bearing was getting worse and worse to the point the water pump finally locked up. In that moment the belt got thrown off immediately and he then immediately lost power steering and AC. Sound plausible? Only issue I have with my logic is if the water pump was going bad in the beginning, before the belt broke off, and the pump was not spinning well but the belt was staying on for some time, you would think the belt would smoke or squeal or he would notice little performance skips in his vehicle or something. Kind of wondering why he didn't notice anything.


I don't know much about cars. I just enjoy thinking about repairs and stuff on them, so I appreciate any logic on this car issue and what the likely sequence of events are from anyone.
 

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I would say the belt popped when his battery light came on as the alternator wasn't operating at that point. Was that a recall or a bulletin? looks like the dealer should have paid for that repair. I didn't read all your post, sorry.
 

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It could have just been a loose belt and the water pump was changed to run the bill up.

Anything is possible.
Why didn't the engine over heat and light up the dash.

With the recall, I would be looking at getting some of that money back. A recall does not die with the age of the car. Dealers have been caught charging both the consumer and the manufacturer for the same repair.
 

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Let me see.
You have 2 friends in the last 2 weeks that had pretty much identical symptoms in completely different cars? Seriously?


the story goes she was driving the car (her VW Jetta) and for the past few times she drove her car she felt the car would once in a while feel like it was stuttering or not getting power in some way, but the car still worked so she kept on driving it. Then one day while she was driving the Jetta the first thing to go wrong was the AC stopped working while she was driving, then she said the car became hard to steer (I'm assuming her power steering went out), then her power windows no longer worked,

https://www.diychatroom.com/f46/ac-power-windows-power-steering-stop-car-died-691679/

with same torn belt diagnosis? And you never seeing the car in person?

Seriously? What are the odds of that?
 

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Belt blew up, so it was no longer turning the alternator. That's why the battery light came on—it was no longer being charged.

Belt blew up, so it was no longer turning the water pump. Your "friend" was lucky the engine wasn't destroyed by overheating.
 

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Let me see.
You have 2 friends in the last 2 weeks that had pretty much identical symptoms in completely different cars? Seriously?
Yep! Only time in my life this has happened where two people I know had similar problems with their cars. Although, this time the water pump on the Accord was locked up which caused the belt to be thrown off. The water pump did seem to be the source of the issue on the Accord as my friend did see it leaking coolant when he pulled over at a gas station when the power steering and AC stopped working. On the Jetta the water pump was fine, but the belt/alternator/battery needed to be replaced on the Jetta whereas with the Accord it just needed a new water pump and belt.

I don't see people's cars in person because I'm no mechanic and I don't even have a garage to work on the cars. Plus, the whole current virus issue has made it difficult to interact with people in person. But my friends call me when they have problems just because I like to talk about this stuff with them, and then I think about their stories and post on here. LOL!

And to comment on people's suggestions from before that thought the battery light came on at the same time the belt flew off, how is that possible when the power steering and AC was still working when the battery light came on initially? The power steering and AC only went out after an additional 20 or so minutes of driving with the battery light on. Meaning the battery light had been on for at least 20 minutes before the power steering and AC went out.
 

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I would sent honda a letter that you would sue them if they don't send a refund, my father did that when his honda element motor blew-up out of warranty (lost all his oil on road) and he got a free motor replacement, same for my wife with her toyota rav4 2006 bad 4wd rear coupler, they were asking near 1000$ for repair and after a few research i found the tsb about it and show them and they changed it for free!
 

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"And to comment on people's suggestions from before that thought the battery light came on at the same time the belt flew off, how is that possible when the power steering and AC was still working when the battery light came on initially? The power steering and AC only went out after an additional 20 or so minutes of driving with the battery light on. Meaning the battery light had been on for at least 20 minutes before the power steering and AC went out."

The battery light came on initially because the battery was no longer receiving a charge. Electrical components (steering, AC, radio, etc.) continued to operate from the stored power of the battery, until the battery no longer had enough reserve power.
 

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The battery light came on initially because the battery was no longer receiving a charge. Electrical components (steering, AC, radio, etc.) continued to operate from the stored power of the battery, until the battery no longer had enough reserve power.
Thanks for the response. I understand that the battery light came on because it wasn't being charged properly anymore. In this case it appears the battery wasn't being charged anymore because of a belt related issue, since when the Accord was repaired with a new belt and water pump the battery has now been working fine with no more battery light warning. In the case of a 2014 Accord, I believe the power steering is driven off the belt and isn't run electrically. So my confusion comes from the fact that the power steering, which I believe is primarily belt run and not electrically run, was still working when the battery light indicator was on for 20 minutes without a power steering issue evident. Do you think the belt was still on at the same time the battery light indicator came on for the 20 minutes when the car was still running fine? And then the belt finally snapped off at the end after driving for 20 minutes, and that's why the power steering finally stopped working? I'm assuming the battery light came on first because the water pump was already locked up or wasn't turning perfectly well, and so the belt wasn't turning perfectly but was still on the car so the battery wasn't charging perfectly, but then after 20 minutes of driving with a belt that wasn't turning properly due to the water pump issue... the belt finally snapped off and then the power steering failed at that instant. Who knows, but that's my best guess of the logical sequence with the little knowledge I have on cars.
 

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Thank you! Oh wow, see I'm an idiot. You just solved my issue. I had googled it too but a picture of what looked to be a belt driven power steering pump came up and I assumed it was belt driven from that picture. I had seen photos like this on eBay too of what looked to be belt driven power steering pump for a 2014 Accord. I'll link one below so you can see what I mean, so that confused me. But after doing more research it does appear that these are electrically driven. Thanks! Now this all makes perfect sense! The belt must have snapped off from the very beginning when the water pump gave him issues and then the battery light came on, and then he just drove the car with no belt till the battery completely died trying to run all his electronics and everything eventually stopped working. Thank you for helping me. I'm an idiot. Here is a link to an eBay ad that confused me and made me think this car had a belt driven power steering pump:

https://www.ebay.com/itm/2014-Honda...=193297855490b119ca45304f452485de2c5ad5129089
 
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