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I'm trying to figure out how many more 2 Pol circuit breakers I can place at the top free space of this panel?



I know for sure the green outline will work, it's the space below it I'm unsure about. I believe I can only because there are two 30A breakers below the main that appears similar to the yellow space I've outlined, but since I have not pulled the breakers I do not know for sure.

Also, I understand about not overloading the main @ 100 amp. There are a couple unused breakers pictured. Appreciate the help!


 

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Thanks for the response. I thought those "buss stabs" were important. Didn't know what they were called.

So, buss stabs are required for 2 Pole thin breakers and the single thin breakers will fit in the remaining spaces.

Am I correct to conclude that I could relocated some of the thin breakers into those single spaces and free up some 2 pole positions below?

I need a 30A for a whole house steam humidifier and I thought I'd throw in a 50/60A breaker for an electric car charger while I'm running cable.

If I make the effort to run the new cables up the wall with the holder cables would that be kosher? or is it better to run high amp wires through their own conduit. The 50amp for the non existent Jacuzzi has the junction box and conduit on the right and the new 40A breaker runs through the back up new conduit for the stove we just installed.

Seems like I should be able to run 6AWG through a spare punch-out hole in the panel through the wall studs and over the attic space to the other side of the garage safely.

I assume the conduit is used because its safer/ cheaper for an electrician to run a new line that way. Or is it important to run separately like the Jacuzzi. That conduit runs up to the attic, then makes its way uncovered to the back of the house. Not sure why they just didn't run it with the rest of the power cables up the wall.
 

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Interesting panel arrangement!

That breaker you have pictured, and the two "spaces" you have boxed, are actually "off" by a half space. That is because of the weird way GE does things with double-stuff breakers.

With GE, they sell normal breakers that take a full space (they look like 2 of the main breaker) and clip onto the horizontal bus stabs. Remember your boxes are 1/2 space "out of phase" with where the actual spaces are.

They also sell 1/2-width "double-stuff" breakers that fit in 1/2 space and clip onto the vertical little "cruciforms" (well, not in this case) that you see attached to the bus stabs.

Look at space 1 (1/2 space above your green box). You can put a full-space breaker there. You cannot put a 1/2 space breaker in the top half of the space (because the cruciform is not there), but you can put a 1/2 space breaker in the bottom half of the space. On space 2 (intruded by the green and orange box), the top half supports a 1/2 space breaker, and the bottom half does not.

That means the only thing you can support in spaces 1 and 2 are either 2 full-size breakers (or a 2-pole), or two half-width (or a 2-pole double-stuff). You cannot do the *normal* thing of fitting four double-stuff breakers there.

And then, they did the same exact thing in spaces 3-4. (bottom half of orange, 2-pole breaker there, and half-space below that).

What a weird thing. I gather they did that for CTL reasons.

The upshot is that using double-stuff breakers in the top 4 spaces is a lost cause; it might as well be full-size breakers. You might as well reserve these spaces for GFCI/AFCI, which are only available in full-size.

The normal thing you do with a GE panel, sticking a 2-pole in the green straddle-space position and and another 2-pole in orange, is not possible because of this "feature" in the panel. The orange straddle-space position cannot be occupied.

That's it. Yet another full panel because somebody got to save a few bucks. I hope they really, really enjoyed that latté.
 
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