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Old 04-01-2019, 05:29 PM   #16
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Not flush by 1/4 of an inch, I think the planks vary in and out by 1/4 to maybe 1/2 inch. I assume they are not flush on the outside either, but of course those are under shingles so I can't see that. Old roof issues, structural problems, oak planks ect-102.jpg
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Old roof issues, structural problems, oak planks ect-100.jpg Worried about these gaps the red arrows are pointing at, it doesn't come up tight together. That is bad? Looks like just some nails holding that mess together.





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This to show that in the photo above (the blue color) there is usually a brace thing across that, but since we have the purple things in this photo we don't need that? Is that right? I think these are called knee braces. To clarify we did not take off any bracing, we added the knew bracing because there wasn't anything at all.
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This is a closer up of the photo in the previous post.
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There are tons of big knots like this in the oak planking throughout. Are those an issue?
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This red area here, is notched out of a 2x4 and it is definitely supposed to be holding up weight (I can tell by looking that it is structural) but the problem is 1. should it be notched out like that? and 2. the green area shows, well it doesn't even look like it is making contact WITH anything.
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Old roof issues, structural problems, oak planks ect-094.jpg This orange one is only 3/4 inch thick, there are others behind it at a different angle, (the green) and they are also only 3/4. Is that okay? There are several in a row like this.
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The red is a board that runs the whole length in this area, guessing 20 feet or so. The green-there are metal rod things attached, about 18 inches long guessing. Purple is heat and air.
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Blue area looks like big open space of nothing. I can't see cause its all insulation, and I may need to take out the insulation to see what is going on there. The red is a beam we put in, and it's over a wall.
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The whole thing is not that bad. Having said it, there are some fixes you can do. Fixes in the attic, I'd use screws. Wood screws. Easier if you can predrill one size less. Nails you have to pound and easier to split the wood. Screws too but just watch when you sink the head. Any screw around 1" near the grain end edge probably will split it.


1. shingles: architectural, average ones from the box stores, have 30 yr warranty. Roofers in the forum said expect 20 yrs from them, but depends on the shingle condition. My 3 tab shingles are at least 30 yrs old. Expected life is 10-15 yrs. Tabs are falling off by themselves and started leaking near the eave this winter. If you have some shade cover on the roof, longer. I've never done a metal roof. In nj and not very popular. I don't know how easy metal is, but asphalt shingles are fairly fool proof.



2. ridge: not sure what moved or what built it. Some stain on some rafters could be cement. Form boards reused. Roof decking is not t&g, just very low quality undressed boards. Still, they are working. Splits are fine. But I think you should hand nail. Learning to tell with air gun bounce could take while. My first roof was hand nailed. It takes time but time is on your side. I would cut off the ridge board. It's not doing anything anyway. After the ridge board is cut off, leave the sliver in between. Then add collar ties. Looks like 3' 2x6 on each bay. You will have to cut the ends to follow the roof slope. About 4-5 3" wood screws each end. Don't try to straighten or move any existing frames. Remove the metal rod tie and replace with 2x6. Don't add ridge vent. Not always needed and I think you shouldn't remove anything, to keep things simple.


3. you will know when you hit knots. Move over a little. If nail is exposed, smear over with good caulk. You can even cover with 2" wide metal flashing. Flashing can go anywhere.



4. Architectural over 3 tab will not match. Strike a new line to follow.


5. Don't store the roof bundles on that roof. I'd take the numbers you can take comfortably. If this is one story house, I'd even make a platform for safest up and downs.


6. Ridge isn't a straight line. You should bend the last shingle over the ridge then cap them for best protection.

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@carpdad @PatChap I agree that this roof need some help to me it would be bracing to the bearing wall but mostly what brings me here is the miss use of terms,

Rater ties are anywhere in the lower third and includes ceiling joists. They hole the two outside walls in place and a sag in the roof often indicates some movement in the outer walls.
Caller ties are in the upper third of the system and if they are in the lower part of that third they may add support against sagging but their purpose is to prevent wind lift of the top of the rafters.
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