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Old 05-23-2019, 07:37 AM   #16
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Per huesmann, separate roof over two roofs with at least 4-6" of gap between old and new. But new roof does not have to be a complete triangle, just the rafters, not the ties. Posts can attach to the walls (but not to the bricks), beams installed on posts, then the rafters. If plastic roofing is used, all of the frame can be metal tubes and keep everything light, in weight and sun.
If leaves and such, blow it away from below. Some of the plastic look can be hidden with traditional facia trim.


Before this, I may replace the old shingles with long term new shingles where the new roof may make it hard to replace.

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Old 05-23-2019, 08:49 AM   #17
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Per huesmann, separate roof over two roofs with at least 4-6" of gap between old and new.
Why would you want a gap? I would think an overlap would be better.
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I was annoyed with not being able to find a close enough picture to my box-in extended dormer idea and I had a few minutes this AM so I threw this together for you. Had to guess on the proportions though. You'll have to do some measurements as you want the left edge of the new dormer roof to fall under your closed eave on the garage so you don't have to mess with the garage roof at all. Directly over your existing door, you'll want to do a dormer cut in at the roof to buy yourself a bit of height, but that shouldn't be too difficult.

I've put in a single step high wood deck, just to break up the base line a little, but depending on the height of your garage roof there you might not have the head clearance for it (in that case I'd do some kind of river rock base and large stepping stone pathway to the door. The water fetcher/planter on either side of the new faux brick wall to take the water from the dormer roof; could tie into your existing down spouts too I suppose.

The "ceiling" is boxed flat over the front entry dormer to visually separate it from the house front, but inside the 'alley' party (mud room maybe) you won't be able to do that because of the actual entry door height - I did a barn type ceiling to accomidate, but you also do a gable and skylights instead.

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Mystriss, how do you drain that roof? Just let it drip off the edge?
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@huesmann Gutters that drain into the planter/water feature. One might be able to tie it into the separate downspouts on the garage and house sides instead.

In my mind all the downspouts (garage and house included) would be contained inside, or at least on the back side of, that new 'wall' to hide them. I kind of figured "might as well make the drain water useful" and have them come out into planters/water features with an overflow basin/drain system under the deck for the hard rains that overwhelm them. Keeping in mind that one of the complaints is that water pools in that area, having the house and garage downspouts there is as much a problem as not having a roof over it.
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Old 05-25-2019, 07:35 AM   #21
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Gap is so rain can drain and most of the leaves and such will blow through. Don't attach the new roof to the old. That makes couple of troughs that will be harder to frame and roof and more potential leaks.


I like mystriss' idea but that galley is low enough as it is with the entrance door where it is, I think.



Another idea is to hire a metal worker than a carpenter. Steel roof frame for plastic corrugated roof that can be supported on metal posts on plates. Plates can be bolted to blocks or rafters and flashed. This could be built at the shop and just lifted and bolted at once on the roof. Plated posts can be preinstalled and roof frame welded once up. Not much different than adding a cupola on the ridge or a dormer.


Additionally, I don't think you should go for completely dry galley. That was the problem with this design anyway. End the new roof square little past the entrance door roof and keep things simple. You want a protection, not another enclosed space. New roof could even step in a foot or so, and the front covered with wider facia per mystriss' idea. Facia can even be little higher than the roofing. You may have drips and such. The metal roof frame can be also done in 2-3 pieces and bolted together once up.

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