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Old 02-26-2011, 11:31 AM   #46
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I did run out of gift cards, but between that and having my wife on a trip for 10 days and being solo dad, I have been in pause mode.

I have gone the old method of pvc liner membrane. See below for progress.

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Old 02-27-2011, 10:19 AM   #47
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Got my liner in, corner dams, performed a leak test:

Filled shower up with water..about 2" in the middle, little less on the edges, in a 12hr period, its gone down 1/8-3/16ths of an inch...is that evaporation? or do I have a leak? The heater has been going on at the house, I was thinking maybe that heater air is sucking the water? My shower is about 5x3', so its quite a bit of water in there.

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Photo of water once it has drained.

The water speeds along to the drain nicely, but there are some small pooling bits? is that ok? or not?


And I am sure I messed this bit up, but the top of the drain flange, those little holes (are those 'weep' holes?) had silicone come up through them when I tightened the flange, I am guessing thats not ok.

And like I said above, not sure the amount of water lost was evaporation or leaking at the drain (its not leaking anywhere else or I'd have water coming through and its all dry)


Also...did I put silicone in the right place?

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Old 02-27-2011, 01:04 PM   #49
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Ok, since I am talking to myself here

I took the flange off, lifted the PVC membrane up a bit and the concrete preslope is all wet.

So...either I did not tighten the 4 flange bolts enough, (they were not very tight) or I screwed something else up.
Some help would be great.
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Took the entire liner out, entire preslope is wet, bottom of all my framing wet, bottom of curb. I have a portable heater and fan in there going lightly? am I screwed? or will it be fine?
So pissed.

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Old 02-28-2011, 04:43 PM   #50
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Sorry, been busy.

Assuming all four corners are prepared the same as the one shown in the photo and there are no cuts in the corners then (yes) that part look correct.

The placement of the silicone is also correct for that style drain.

The fasteners (staples) appear to be of sufficient height. The rule is: "No fasteners anywhere below an imaginary line three inches above the curb."

But still (obviously) something has leaked.

I wouldn't think water would get past the silicone even if it was fresh. This only leaves the bolts maybe weren't tight enough but honestly that isn't a glaring error either from what I can see.

If the entire pre slope is wet out and away from the drain then look for a damaged pan liner. How did you fit and fold the liner to the curb? The curbs are usually difficult at best.
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I clearly do not know what the weep holes were for, because I put little holes where the weep holes are located, as shown in the pic. In hindsight, a massive stupid error on my part and the reason it leaked? (the water did not leak near the curbs. it all rose up to the 2 opposite corners, and those had folds unlike the curb that was glued with dam corners)

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Well there ya go!
You may need two-hundred feet of pan liner after-all.

The weep holes take care of themselves. This time don't block them with silicone and in fact the recommendations are to barricade the weep-hole locations using tile chips or tiny rocks or spacers or anything that will keep you from packing the weep holes with the concrete of the upper layer.
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So I have let that wood and preslope dry out all week, fans, sunlight, etc...I should be good to have another go at the PVC liner eh?

And the mud going on TOP of the pvcliner, the final bed, thats sand mix as well?
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And the mud going on TOP of the pvcliner, the final bed, thats sand mix as well?
Yup.
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helluva time with the corners, on the outside. I know this another no brainer, but don't want to jack it up.

Where do I make the cut?
This photo is a sample piece I am 'learning' with, so I know the staples shouldnt be there, etc...this way looks way wrong, is there a photo of the fold/cut on the curb for a liner?


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OK here's a couple of ideas.

Keeping in mind the corners have always been a huge pain in the a$$.

1.The blocking you have is a good thing, but, if you were to move it back about 1/4" to 3/8" you would have a place to go with the bulk-of-the-fold. The board will still sit on the stud face and all will be well.

2.Another way to do this is to notch the studs about 1/4" deep and about 12" up from the floor. Again this gives you a place to go with the bulk. The boards can't be fastened down there anyway and they would then fly past the notches and over the liner without creating a slight curve.

3.There are also pre-formed corner pieces available. In that case you would be able to slice the liner and then cover it with the pre-formed corners and using the proper (welding) adhesive all would be fine.

The staple on top of the curb is a no-no for sure, don't do that for any reason. If for some reason you feel you have to take some of the puff out of the liner use construction adhesive to glue it to the wood curb. PL-400 works good.
No one said the pan liner was easy.

This is one of the top reasons why the KERDI system is a much much better way to do this.
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Got the dam corners and found a pic of a nice fold for this area.

Like I said, going to do the upstairs bathroom next year, will go kerdi for sure on that.

Passed the leak test, all good....but working all week so project if parked for now.
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I ended up using a sawzall in the back corners to make a little nook to tuck in the PVC liner, vs the Folds I had, so there is very little thickness change. To fur it out, I had so much PVC liner left over, I made strips of PVC to go along all the studs, so that handled not having to notch, looks good.

• I put some plastic sheeting up too, but was also planning on doing hydroban as well on the walls, is that ok to do both?

• I put a couple hardie boards up just now, and perhaps due to my awesome carpentry (wink wink) the boards don't line up exactly, there is a 1/8" step to the next board on TOP of the bottom row. I imagine in a perfect world there should be smooth transition, dont know why there isnt, but how aligned do these boards have to be?
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I put some plastic sheeting up too, but was also planning on doing hydroban as well on the walls, is that ok to do both?
No. It will create a moisture sandwich and promote mold. No plastic sheeting necessary for what you are doing. I just completed this thread from start to finish and learned a lot. It looks like you learned quite a bit through mistakes and I can't think of a better way to learn. Hats off to you for attempting this shower pan. As for myself, I'm sticking with a premade receptor should I opt for a shower in my next project.

This thread really should be moved to the project forum. Very interesting and informative.
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Jim,
Thanks and yeah, I will go kerdi next time...my upstairs bath, but thats a couple years away from needing a remodel.

I really wanted to use the hydroban, and can still return it (was $100 something) I havent put all the hardie boards up, having second thoughts about removing the plastic and going with the hydroban....can't commit hahaha (this coming from a guy thats been with wife for 18 yrs)
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