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Old 03-04-2010, 09:39 AM  
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Tiling around or under cabinets???


Hey guys,

I am prepping to completely renovate my kitchen/dinning room. Right now it appears that we have linoleum flooring over thin plywood over subfloor all on wood joists. Looks like the thin plywood could be about 1/4". We intend to put down tile over cement board

Couple of questions if you could help:
1) I am going to assume I need to pull up the two layers and put down plywood for strength. Correct?
2) Tile in open area and under dishwasher, fridge, and oven but not under cabinets?
3) Should I put extra plywood under the cabinets to raise them up to the level of the tiles so the appliances will fit correctly?

Any and all advice would be greatly appreciated.

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I'm in a similar situation to yours. We tiled up to the cabinets a year ago and under stove. We ordered new cabinets and are wondering about this.

I look forward to some replies.
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Personally, I think it depends on how much the tile you are putting down costs. Is it expensive travertine, or cheaper builder grade tile.

If it is expensive tile I would install the cabinets first and then install the tile around the cabinets. If it's cheaper tile it will be less cuts and less of your time in the long run to install the tile in the whole room and then place the cabinets on top.

So, what it comes down to is how much is your time or the tile contractor's time worth?
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It seems like this question comes up every 6 months or so.
Do yourself a favor and sheet the whole floor with tile once you tear out the old cabinets. Most of the tile I see going into kitchens is under 10.00/sq.ft. The little extra it takes to go under the cabinets is negligable. It is easier to tile without the cabinets there, easier to set the cabinets once the tile is down, and all in all, makes for a nicer job.
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Thanks Mike!

The tile we used was the 16" square tile at Lowes for $0.67/ft^2. So cost isn't a big deal, just time. Good enough for me. I'll mortar, then grout about 12 hours later. Barely remove the haze (since they're under the cabinets) and call it a day.
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My concern with putting cabinets over the tile is keeping the cabinets level...am I worrying too much?
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In the kitchens I do. I set the cabinets first. Makes it easier to shim and I don't have to worry about breaking any tiles should a cabinet or hammer drop on the floor. With the cabinets in, then I can decide where to start and stop my pattern of tiles. If the homeowner later decides he/she is tired of looking at that floor, the next installer isn't cussing me up one side and down the other. If done right the appliances should fit just fine. If adding plywood for strenth, it should be done prior to installing cabinets. Some of the time I will not tile under the stove. However this depends on the stove I am installing. You should know what appliances you are installing prior to any work being done, so you should have the specs.
Gone Fishing, is hard to say what you should to for strength without knowing more info. Joist size, spacing, lengths, sub floor. Deflextion plays a part in a good tile job that won't crack.
Tiling before or after is a personal preference, I am sure the Mike's kitchens turn out just fine. It's just not the way I do it.
I would not grout my tile 12 hours later however. Thinset under a 16" tile is going to take more time to dry than a 12" tile. Doing so will cause nothing but problems down the line. Walking on tiles before the thinset is not dry could cause the thin "film" to break resulting in loose tiles. Another problem grouting to early, it often causes efflorence making your darker grout lines appear to lighter in spots. Which of course causes another thread asking the question "Why are my grout lines appear to be lighter in spots?. Often the cause is moisture trying to escape from the thinset that hasn't had the time to dry. (there are other reasons)
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In the process of remodeling my kitchen right now.... And after reading this forum and others on this issue, I decided to tile the whole kitchen first.
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Tile first--under the cabinets,too. Fastest,safest--best.--Mike--
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In the process of remodeling my kitchen right now.... And after reading this forum and others on this issue, I decided to tile the whole kitchen first.
Ivy,
Just curious, why don't the two small rows of tile line up with the rest?
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Base cabinets will be totally covering that area for storage. So it really didn't matter to me how I layed the tile in that area. Also, that area used to be counter height seating which I never used. This is a townhouse and as you can well see... this is a teeny tiny kitchen, but it works for me.

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Mike... here is a pic of that area that will be covered. Positioned the base cabinets to be secured today.
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