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Old 03-12-2017, 12:41 PM   #16
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Sorry but i dont know what CB and BN mean.

I dont think you are understanding a couple of things, so i will try again. Lets say your wall is 81 inches high, and lets also say that your tiles are 4 inches high. Assuming that both wall and ceiling are level and ate exactly parallel with each other that would mean that, if you started at the bottom with FULL tiles, you would have 20 rows of full tiles and the a 1 inch tile at the top.

Rather than do that, my way would start with a ledger (or line) 2 1/2 inches up from the top of the tub. You would have 19 rows of full tiles above this ledger. After you lay all of those full tiles and removed the ledger, you would be left with a 2 1/2 inch gap at the top and a 2 1/2 inch gap at the bottom. You would then cut tiles to 2 1/2 inches to fill both of those gaps. Does that explanation make it any clearer for you?

Secondly, in the situation you have now, the pencil tile would not be cut to fit INTO the gap. Rather it would be left full, and would have a thick layer of mastic filling the gap, and back butter the pencil tile and adhere that pencil tile to the FACE of the subway tile so that it spans the 1/2 inch gap and sits proud of the subway tile.

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Old 03-12-2017, 01:29 PM   #17
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I get what your saying... i have 3"x6" subway and if i had shifted the rows up to split the tiles 1.5" and 1.5" top and bottom there would only be 1/2" of the 1 1/2" mortared to the cement board at the bottom, as there is a 1" gap between the bottom of the cement board and surface of the tub. i didn't think that 1/2" was enough support for the bottom row of 1.5" tile. Maybe i was wrong in my assumption? It's a mute point at this stage.
As far as the pencil molding goes, how are the right and left side of the tub finished where the pencil molding meets the vertical 2x6 bullnose tile? If the edge of the pencil molding is a straight cut, I'm not sure how that's going to flow, meeting up with the bullnose tile?
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I never like it when I see people cut the bottom row of tiles at the tub with the exception of trimming ⅛" to accommodate a tub that is not level.

Proper planning will tell you the gap at the ceiling before we start setting tiles. You could have added a pencil liner or a 2-3-4" listello some where in the field to gain what you need.

BTW, never assume the ceiling is level, most ceiling are not level and is normal to be at least " off.

Are you tiling the ceiling? Why not?

So, for this project, you're saying the gap at the ceiling is how much? I thought I read 1.5", sure doesn't look like it's that wide from here.

You can cover a gap at the ceiling, especially if it varies in width by installing a bullnose upside down on top of the tiles, whether or not you tile the ceiling.

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..........and would have a thick layer of mastic filling the gap,
I hope he was just kidding or used the word 'mastic' for the benefit of a DIY'er. Please tell us what specific adhesive you're using.

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Old 03-12-2017, 02:14 PM   #19
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I wasn't planning on tiling the ceiling as its a low ceiling to begin with, an my thought was it might feel more claustrophobic with the tile on top of you?
The gap you are seeing is 1/2" on the left side and on the last tile on the right (right wall) it's 1/4". As i look at it, it doesn't' really look as bad as i thought it might. when you flip the bullnose (2x6) are you using the full 2" or are you cutting some of the width? How do you finish the corners with the vertical 2x6 bullnose meeting up with the elevated horizontal bullnose?
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I get what your saying... i have 3"x6" subway and if i had shifted the rows up to split the tiles 1.5" and 1.5" top and bottom there would only be 1/2" of the 1 1/2" mortared to the cement board at the bottom, as there is a 1" gap between the bottom of the cement board and surface of the tub. i didn't think that 1/2" was enough support for the bottom row of 1.5" tile. Maybe i was wrong in my assumption? It's a mute point at this stage.
As far as the pencil molding goes, how are the right and left side of the tub finished where the pencil molding meets the vertical 2x6 bullnose tile? If the edge of the pencil molding is a straight cut, I'm not sure how that's going to flow, meeting up with the bullnose tile?
thanks for your patience.
You are not getting what i am saying if you split the top and bottom tiles to be 1 1/2" each, since those two together would only cover 3 inches. I am suggesting that you make the top and bottom row 1 3/4 inches thereby covering a total of 3 1/2 inches of wall space.

And my comment about mastic is incorrect. I should have said thinset.

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how do handle the corners as far as grouting goes. Are you just using a grout color caulk for the vertical corners? or are you supposed to grout the corners? thanks


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Another thing you could do is float the ceiling with drywall mud up against the tile to achieve a level look. Sort of been there done that few times.
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