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Old 07-17-2016, 06:42 PM   #31
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That should work well. You'll want to also dab some more on the rail

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When you say dab on the back, it means form ridges as well, not just back-buttering?
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Old 07-17-2016, 08:21 PM   #33
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Well......ok. Form ridges if you have other trowels, otherwise I was thinking of the pointing trowel I mentioned earlier.

Back buttering is when you apply a thin film like on your toast. Now I'm thinking more like applying cream cheese. Remember you're gonna slide the pieces into place which will smooth out and spread the thinset. You'll get the hang of it.

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Old 07-18-2016, 06:06 PM   #34
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Some additional questions if you don't mind:
I don't know if the 1st one is more functional or visual:
How should I set the mosaic: resting on the countertop, or should I leave a gap (see pictures)? My plan was to leave a ~1.5mm to 2mm gap, and fill it with some TEC Accucolor "Unsanded siliconized Acrylic latex caulk" (will match with the grout color)

But I want to be sure it's a good idea...........If it's not a good idea (or it will look weird?), then I guess it has to rest on the counter, and I will have to put a bead of transparent 100% silicone?
Other questions: I was talking to somebody who was surprised that I won't prime where the tile will be installed. He said he would prime and even paint, then scuff it for better adhesion, but form him it would protect the drywall from the moisture in the adhesive....
Jazz, when you say "Do not prime": Does that mean it's not necessary to prime, but it won't hurt to do so, or it's a bad idea to prime, period?
Last one: thinset vs mastic (like Omnigrip): I know what you think about mastic ("leave on the shelf to collect dust" )but.......Should it be thinset without primer or mastic with primer, or priming has nothing to do with the type of adhesive ?
Is it really a bad idea to go with mastic? I believe it's OK with the mosaic, but I'm not sure about the chair rail
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Old 07-18-2016, 07:04 PM   #35
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French Guy,

Definitely leave a gap, 2-3 mm will be good. Are you gonna use unsanded grout? I like sanded, especially for mosaics. Those joints look very close to 3mm (⅛), I think sanded looks better and is easier to work with, especially with porcelain tiles. Those tiles also have a rustic look and well............your choice if all the joints will be close to 3mm. The caulk comes both ways.

Using mastic is ok if it's a vertical dry area. Thinset is much better and cheaper too. In new construction, or new wallboard, it's better to not prime with a paint. If you do, you'll want to let the primer cure. Thinset direct to unpainted drywall is best. If you decide to use "bubblegum", you can skim the to-be tiled area with the mastic, let it dry for awhile, then apply the normal amount. Now it's sealed and a terrific base for more mastic.

Do not prime, means do not prime/paint, unless you have an extra week or two for curing and want to turn small job into a lengthy project.

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Cool, thanks
Yes, I was planning to used sanded grout
What do you mean by "the caulk comes both ways"?
For the adhesive, I have some Versabond, so I guess I will use this with a 1/8 x 1/8 x 1/8 square notch trowel, and I won't prime the to-be tiled area
And after all, it's a backsplash...not a shower
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......both ways, sanded and unsanded caulk to match.

There wouldn't be any drywall or mastic involved if it was a shower. (Unless some hack did the work.)
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How should I proceed for the grout? Should I put the siliconized caulk first (between mosaic and countertop), then grout the mosaic when dry?
Or grout the mosaic (sanded grout) making sure to leave the gap mosaic-countertop free of grout, and then put the caulk?

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It can be done either way. I think it's best to caulk first, then grout after a day or so. Caulking is a more controlled procedure as apposed to grouting. Don't forget to caulk any vertical corners and any dissimilar material joints.

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What about the line between chair rails (stone) ans mosaic: should it be grout or caulk?
I'm thinking grout, but want to double check ...
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Yes, grout!

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fyi...A pro will see some defects, but I'm globally satisfied how it turned out (and the wife likes it )
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