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Old 03-28-2012, 09:40 PM   #1
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We are redoing our bathroom in the basement. We have used ceramic tile on the walls and are done with that part. Now the shower floor... We want to use ceramic tile on the floor also-to match the walls. We will be laying this tile on the concrete floor.
What do we use for adhesive? I have read about lacticrete-is this something we need to do-waterproof? This shower will not be used often, but we still want it done "right".
Any advice would be greatly appreciated!!
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You might not like the answer....


You should have most definitely done the shower pan before tiling the walls...
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Hi Angie,
As noted above this section is for a quick reference section on how to to particular task. I've requested that this thread be moved to the appropriate section - Remodeling.
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Shower pan...we were wanting to use the existing. We have a drain there-and the concrete "slopes" towards the drain. We purchased
?flexible? (not sure what to call them-they are 2"X2" and the size is 12 X 12 and they conform to an area not flat) tiles to go around the shower drain. These match as well as possible. Then the walk in part would have tile matching the wall. The shower is like a rectangle shape, with the shower head only accessable to the 3"X3' square. The entire enclosure is 3'X7', but the shower head will not be "flowing" on the entire 7' section. I hope this isn't too confusing.
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You need Hrdroban by Latacrete----this should have gone on before you tiled the walls--

Hydroban is a paint on waterproofing membrane---paint on the wall and floor at least 18" up the walls tape the seams between the walls and floor with tilers mesh--pay extra attention to the wall /floor seam and make sure that area is well covered. It works best with a special drain from Schluter or Latacrete --

A standard drain could work--pay extra attention to that point,also.

Set tiles with modified thinset--http://www.diychatroom.com/f80/mud-what-77763/
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Shower pan...we were wanting to use the existing. We have a drain there-and the concrete "slopes" towards the drain.
Is there a shower pan, or is it just a floor drain?

A few things should be understood.
1) tile is not waterproof.
2) grout is not waterproof. Sealing grout does not make it waterproof.
3) thinset is not waterproof.

A properly built shower should have 100% of the water heading down the drain before the first tile is set in place.

http://www.ontariotile.com/preslope.html

Don't count on tile, grout, or caulking as waterproofing.

Mike's link:
http://www.diychatroom.com/f80/mud-what-77763/

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This is a floor drain only. I bought mapei aqua defense today, but we have not done anything yet to the floor.
I am confused on using this or any other product for a waterproof membrane. We redone our kitchen floor and used durock underneath. Thinset for adhesion. We didn't use any waterproof membrane of any kind. What is the difference?
I don't have a problem putting anything on the concrete slab to waterproof it. I just am confused as we didn't do anything like this in the kitchen. Maybe we should have? We have pets and water gets spilled ocassionally. We haven't had any problems thus far, and it has been down for 3 years.
The "helper" at Menards said to use a waterproof membrane for flexibility in shower floor. Is my floor going to move? If it does, what keeps the grout in between tiles?
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There is a lot more water hitting the concrete in a shower than the occasional water in a kitchen.

Tile and grout are not water proof--water will get to the concrete floor and soak it causing mold and eventually work its way into other areas.

That is why the shower pan and walls--especially the wall/pan seams need to be waterproof.
If not the water will get to the wall framing and cause rot and mold.

A properly made shower could be used before the tile is installed---because it is waterproofed.
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THANK YOU so much for your help!! We have taken down wall tile (20" up) (WHAT A JOB removing those was!) and just finished our waterproof membrane. We are waiting for it to dry.
We do understand the diff in kitchen/shower floors and needing a membrane on one not the other. I greatly appreciate your explanation!!
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